tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post1280974117469632071..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Perry pitches border security grants in State of the StateGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71554182797086580712009-04-26T19:48:00.000-05:002009-04-26T19:48:00.000-05:00Grits seems to have a very strong interest in the ...Grits seems to have a very strong interest in the border. We have to attack everyone who in any way wants to slow the flood. We can always find something to make it seem like they are wrong. Attack them on every point and keep raising a hundred reasons that having a border is completely unreasonable. Say we are for immigration reform, that will make it sound better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19809975450461370152009-01-28T22:13:00.000-06:002009-01-28T22:13:00.000-06:00Why doesn't he fund GANG UNITS in the probatin dep...Why doesn't he fund GANG UNITS in the probatin departments??? <BR/>That would be wise!<BR/>Never mind, I answered my own question!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71687949081139869782009-01-28T13:34:00.000-06:002009-01-28T13:34:00.000-06:00Gotcha, I didn't catch that you were altering your...Gotcha, I didn't catch that you were altering your position about TDCJ.<BR/><BR/>If you're a small county, the ICE transfers could just be a <I>de minimus</I> cost. But for larger counties it requires both staff and, just as importantly, jail cells they need for more serious offenders.<BR/><BR/>I also think it's kind of a stretch to say officials opposing implementation of 287g in their communities aren't upholding their constitutional oath! After all, it's a voluntary provision, not a mandate - they're not failing to uphold any laws.<BR/><BR/>Not only that, immigration enforcement under the original US constitution was a 10th amendment states right that was usurped by the feds after the civil war. (The United States had no immigration laws til 1875, when they restricted access to Chinese "coolies" on the West Coast.) Before then, states each had their own immigration officers and policies, including Texas. So, by that view, its doubly offensive for the feds to want the state to do their dirty work. From a constitutionally originalist perspective, it's none of their damn business. ;)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the conversation.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-58295325438310726372009-01-28T13:09:00.000-06:002009-01-28T13:09:00.000-06:00"Sheriffs do DWI enforcement, too. Bottom line: Ea..."Sheriffs do DWI enforcement, too. Bottom line: Each agency - whether police or Sheriff - only has so many officers. If you want to put some on immigration enforcement, they're going to have to take them away from somewhere else."<BR/><BR/>Not in our case, we just made it a part of the booking process. Actually, very little time involved in the query and it did not require hiring more jail personnel. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"And I don't understand the relevance of the TDCJ stats. I thought your concern was that they WEREN'T deporting people after their sentences, but now you seem to be saying they're doing so (which was always my impression)."<BR/><BR/>I thought the TDCJ stats were relevant because earlier I said they were not doing it. I erred when I said TDCJ was not doing it. I made a mistake an admit it. I can safely say that it was not always the case with TDCJ. <BR/><BR/>I also think the TDCJ stats are important to note because many criminal aliens, both felony and misdemeanor offenders, are placed on probation and allowed back into the community instead of being subject to deportation proceedings.<BR/><BR/>Part of the Texas community supervision statute requires the offender to not violate any of the laws of our state or of the United States. It seems contradictory to place a criminal alien on probation if they are illegally in the United States, which is a violation of the laws of the United States.<BR/><BR/>"I can understand if Perry wants police to pursue 287g status, even if I disagree with it, but I found it disingenuous to label those communities which have not done so "sanctuary cities."<BR/><BR/>That's just the governor's opinion, like you and I have ours. And you know what they say about opinions, there just like an a..h...., everyones got one.<BR/><BR/>And contrary to what 5:14 said, he and other officials who might be opposed to 287g and CAP should read Article 16, section 1 of the Texas Constitution. They undoubtedly are not upholding what they sworn to do. Just my opinion. Ha!<BR/><BR/>Have a great day Scott. I really do enjoy your blog and really enjoy being able to participate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-54653452554960602122009-01-28T09:53:00.000-06:002009-01-28T09:53:00.000-06:00Sheriffs do DWI enforcement, too. Bottom line: Eac...Sheriffs do DWI enforcement, too. Bottom line: Each agency - whether police or Sheriff - only has so many officers. If you want to put some on immigration enforcement, they're going to have to take them away from somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>And I don't understand the relevance of the TDCJ stats. I thought your concern was that they WEREN'T deporting people after their sentences, but now you seem to be saying they're doing so (which was always my impression).<BR/><BR/>I can understand if Perry wants police to pursue 287g status, even if I disagree with it, but I found it disingenuous to label those communities which have not done so "sanctuary cities."Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76609287831665180172009-01-28T09:28:00.000-06:002009-01-28T09:28:00.000-06:00"Perhaps you'd like local police to take those off..."Perhaps you'd like local police to take those officers from DWI patrol? Or the homicide unit? Which existing enforcement efforts should be de-prioritized so local cops can go after immigrants?"<BR/><BR/>No, I am for JEO or Jail Enforcement Officers, not Task Force Officers. Carrollton PD and Harris County SO have JEO's while Farmers Branch has TFO's. Our county jail has JEO's.<BR/><BR/>Iim glad you mentioned DWI's and homicide.<BR/><BR/>Irving’s initiative has resulted in identifying criminal aliens on four murder charges, 23 sexual assault charges and 259 charges of driving while intoxicated.<BR/><BR/>And I have to correct some of what I said about TDCJ.<BR/> <BR/>Statewide data provided by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice indicates that of the 2,851offenders with final orders of deportation in TDCJ facilities, 614have been convicted of homicide, 458 have committed a sexual assault against a child, 405 have been convicted of robbery and 253 have committed a sexual assault against an adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13962455547791711192009-01-28T08:24:00.000-06:002009-01-28T08:24:00.000-06:00Now that's a more accurate statement, 8:10, which ...Now that's a more accurate statement, 8:10, which is why I said "almost" every agency.<BR/><BR/>Farmers Branch and Irving are the only two cities I'm aware of that have sought authorization to do that. By Governor Perry's definition, then, EVERY other Texas community is a "sanctuary city." Or am I missing something? It seems to me, in that context, the term has lost all meaning (if it ever had any).<BR/><BR/>Federal law requires 287g training for local police before they can legally enforce immigration laws. Except for the two agencies you named, none in Texas are legally qualified to do so and never have been, ever. Plus, it's not like the state is providing locals extra money or officers to take on the extra responsibilities.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you'd like local police to take those officers from DWI patrol? Or the homicide unit? Which existing enforcement efforts should be de-prioritized so local cops can go after immigrants?Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-54972129485624294472009-01-28T08:10:00.000-06:002009-01-28T08:10:00.000-06:00Scott,That's not the case in Irving and Farmers Br...Scott,<BR/><BR/>That's not the case in Irving and Farmers Branch where the police department participates in the CAP or 287g programs. These queries are not always made by jailers, they are often made by the arresting officer during booking.<BR/><BR/>The governor is not talking about checking ones residency status on the street. I believe when he refers to sanctuary cities, he is talking about those who do not make the ICE queries but systematically release criminally charged individuals who happen to not have been born in the United States, back into the community, even upon completion of their sentences.<BR/><BR/>Last time I checked, even TDCJ often times releases criminal aliens back onto the street with making a query. They even place some of these individuals on parole! <BR/><BR/>And yes. you are right when you say "that's almost every agency", and I believe they do so because of local political policies.<BR/><BR/>There are more agencies, both city and county, who are getting on board and participating in the CAP and 287g programs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-90382079301323160162009-01-28T05:59:00.000-06:002009-01-28T05:59:00.000-06:00"He is referring to those agencies who arrest some..."He is referring to those agencies who arrest someone for a criminal offense and the person was not born in the United States and the agency does not electronically query ICE to determine the persons residency status."<BR/><BR/>That's almost every agency, not just "sanctuary cities." ICE contacts are made by jailers, not the arresting officers. That still makes no sense to me.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-6450396488629458062009-01-27T20:57:00.000-06:002009-01-27T20:57:00.000-06:008:15 what do you think a traffic accident is? Som...8:15 what do you think a traffic accident is? Some of these accidents are not criminal in nature like when, lets say, a driver is just being down right inattentive. These accident reports by law enforcement are used everyday by plaintiffs attorneys in civil lawsuits.<BR/><BR/>And police reports are used in divorce cases, child custody issues, and wrongful death cases.<BR/><BR/>You are asleep at the wheel if you think the monies spent for police protection are not being used to investigate and testify in civil wrongs and litigations.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe its just that you work for one of those municipal police departments who like telling a complainant to go to the sheriff's office because you don't want to do your job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3535398490657320942009-01-27T20:18:00.000-06:002009-01-27T20:18:00.000-06:00I didn't say it was 8:15, I was just answering the...I didn't say it was 8:15, I was just answering the question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-27547865024537669902009-01-27T20:15:00.000-06:002009-01-27T20:15:00.000-06:00Not their job, 5:14. Municipal police enforce crim...Not their job, 5:14. Municipal police enforce criminal, not civil violations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37202530570024854042009-01-27T17:14:00.000-06:002009-01-27T17:14:00.000-06:00"I also don't understand what he means about local..."I also don't understand what he means about local governments that "pick and choose what laws they want their peace officers to enforce." It's federal law that prohibits local law enforcement from arresting people for civil immigration violations, not some local mandate."<BR/><BR/>He is referring to those agencies who arrest someone for a criminal offense and the person was not born in the United States and the agency does not electronically query ICE to determine the persons residency status.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com