tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post1485231267355251274..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: HISD police created 'Ghetto Handbook': 'Blue wall of silence' nearly covered it upGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37783824693229317402009-10-05T13:18:47.687-05:002009-10-05T13:18:47.687-05:00Grits,
You are well versed and make excellent ...Grits,<br /> You are well versed and make excellent points in your argument. My hat's off to you. Impressive. HISD can stuff it. This is an embarrassment to other boys in blue and is a stigma that we all now have to overcome. Like that's all we needed was one more barrier to climb when we are dealing with an uncooperative public already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-50295877574307562662007-09-21T10:59:00.000-05:002007-09-21T10:59:00.000-05:00You dont know the truth about the situation.. just...You dont know the truth about the situation.. just wait! The book was a result of racism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-79599233641603576892007-09-12T08:53:00.000-05:002007-09-12T08:53:00.000-05:00What about the TV ads for text messaging rates? Is...What about the TV ads for text messaging rates? Isn't that poking fun of geeks and nerds and white teens who have the bucks to text during school hours to classmates? That's even worse because it subtly stigmatizes those of us who are not with it with all this tech stuff.JT Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571868033521182864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64829215642726328002007-09-11T18:20:00.000-05:002007-09-11T18:20:00.000-05:00Touche', you got me, I'm not a cop. But the big de...Touche', you got me, I'm not a cop. But the big departments are more professional than ISDs, park police, or some of the other peripheral agencies, nonetheless.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7212971517708211682007-09-11T18:12:00.000-05:002007-09-11T18:12:00.000-05:00ISD can't get a real police job.Like you have one....ISD can't get a real police job.Like you have one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-6665032901995096562007-09-11T17:22:00.000-05:002007-09-11T17:22:00.000-05:00Hey man, they eat grits in LA too!I know what you ...Hey man, they eat grits in LA too!<BR/><BR/>I know what you mean about forums and such. And agree. I didn't mean to slam you, just trying to point out that, in the annals of racism, this one is pretty lame, if it is racist at all.<BR/><BR/>RoANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-86565437957296427862007-09-11T17:14:00.000-05:002007-09-11T17:14:00.000-05:00People from all walks of life speak "slang." Calli...People from all walks of life speak "slang." Calling slang "ebonics" falsely makes it a racially specific reference when, as you point out, slang terms are used by everyone. <BR/><BR/>"Ebonics" as a label has a lot of culture-war baggage - it was a controversial linguistic theory that some on the right demagogued against for a while to claim that liberals support race-based corruption of the language. At this point it's a reductionist debate. These cops have never read any linguistic theory - to them "Ebonics" is just a euphemism for "how black people talk," which is what makes it a stereotype and a racial taunt.<BR/><BR/>RoAN, I certainly agree the Jena story ranks as a more important case - I try to restrict Grits to Texas topics (on the assumption no one else will help us so we better help ourselves), or I'd have devoted more coverage to it. Still, attitudes toward customers matter in public service just like in business, and you can't adequately serve customers you don't respect. That's why those beneath the surface attitudes are important - it's kids who bear the brunt of their disdain. <BR/><BR/>Maybe if ISD cops weren't often just glorified security guards who can't get real police jobs, I might have more sympathy when some corn-pone idiot bares his ass like this, and be less likely to think it indicates wider problems. I'll bet you the response would have been more severe at HPD, which is a lot more professional. best to all,Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-17664193981015672802007-09-11T16:57:00.000-05:002007-09-11T16:57:00.000-05:00Grits you act like only black people speak ebonics...Grits you act like only black people speak ebonics your wrong.White folks stay in the 5th Ward,6th Ward,Sunnyside,Acres Homes etc.How can it racist if all walks of life speak it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-42606949903013032922007-09-11T15:54:00.000-05:002007-09-11T15:54:00.000-05:00grits,It may well have been a racial taunt but thi...grits,<BR/><BR/>It may well have been a racial taunt but this story has received major play in the local media and thus far nothing substantive has been produced to prove that.<BR/><BR/>More likely, it is the sort of subtle racism that we deny daily. I doubt the officers involved view it as racist. This is the language they hear daily - it may have been an honest attempt to understand the people they work with. <BR/><BR/>Read the wikipedia entry for a quick primer - the term "ebonics" didn't come from the Klan.<BR/><BR/>We laugh at this stuff because we don't know what else to do. This is a "joke" whether it was intentional racism or not. And the "joke" is on all of us that have allowed this to happen.<BR/><BR/>Why have we allowed liberal thought to so corrupt a culture that "ebonics" is an accepted form of communication?<BR/><BR/>Far more worthy of your attention is the travesty of injustice that is happening as we speak in Jena, LA to six young black males simply because they are black. That is overt racism at its ugliest.<BR/><BR/>RoANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-45237956048463774892007-09-11T15:36:00.000-05:002007-09-11T15:36:00.000-05:00I don't have a problem with a professional compila...I don't have a problem with a professional compilation of slang terms by a PD for purposes of training. But when someone who's not a trainer distributes an ill-humored, photocopied jab at "Ebonics" to co-workers without a supervisor's approval, that's a racial taunt.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-91523684099024548382007-09-11T14:51:00.000-05:002007-09-11T14:51:00.000-05:00I believe that that class is needed, why send an o...I believe that that class is needed, why send an officer to culture diversity training when that already mandated by TCLEOSE. There are many officers that don't know the 'slang' termology that used by kids today (black, white, and hispanic). Those are could be at risk if they don't know what the kids are saying. I wonder when an officer who doesn't speak english talk to a Hispanic that only speaks Spanish. There a language barrier, and in high risk situations that could be life or death for an officer, and civilians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-35463381568041796862007-09-11T13:49:00.000-05:002007-09-11T13:49:00.000-05:00No, I'm saying they'd disagree with you that mocke...No, I'm saying they'd disagree with you that mockery of their children by police officers who joked among themselves that their kids all spoke "ebonics" wasn't racist.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67398084483037926992007-09-11T13:13:00.000-05:002007-09-11T13:13:00.000-05:00Anyone who speaks this so-called ebonics is too la...Anyone who speaks this so-called ebonics is too lazy to learn proper English. They need to be made fun of. They need to be taken to task. Same goes for white kids who talk this trash. Who cares what a bunch of overpaid pols at HISD think. What else are they going to say? Why aren't these parents taking their reposibilities, seriously. Or, is it your view they're only expressing themselves against authority by talking this way? <BR/><BR/>So, they're going to beat me down if I pass out these booklets at their church. Are you saying blacks are violent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-79657677429573396132007-09-11T12:29:00.000-05:002007-09-11T12:29:00.000-05:00Nothing racist about mocking jokes about "ebonics,...Nothing racist about mocking jokes about "ebonics," huh? Then perhaps HISD should stamp it with their logo and hand out copies in parking lots in 5th Ward on Sunday after church. Let's see if everyone there agrees with you! You can subtitle it, "What HISD police think of your kids." I double-dog dare you. Wanna guess the reaction? <BR/><BR/>OTOH, HISD admin disagreed with your assessment, anon, which is why they punished the guy. best,Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-22624594418150680802007-09-11T12:15:00.000-05:002007-09-11T12:15:00.000-05:00And, of course, you don't mind stirring it up. No...And, of course, you don't mind stirring it up. Nothing racist about the booklet at all. Quit making trouble, grits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com