tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post2035399998893277126..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: False confessions here, there, and yonGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-11690488290203878582009-01-22T07:22:00.000-06:002009-01-22T07:22:00.000-06:00Austintatious, I never professed to be an expert o...Austintatious, I never professed to be an expert on this case, but Richard Leo is, he's viewed the tapes, and he not only disagrees with you but he provides direct quotes, sourcing amd detailed fact based analysis to back up his claims. <BR/><BR/>By contrast, you've offered nothing BUT sarcasm and snide, unverifiable assertions that conflict with public news accounts. You offer no quotes from the confessions, no sourcing, and then deride others for not having read material you now say is unavailable. No one can verify a word you say and your crappy, attitude gives no one a reason to trust you're unbiased.<BR/><BR/>Take a look at the comment at 2:17 - if they can provide direct quotes to support a thesis that contradicts yours, you should be able to provide SOME documentation for your theory, which of course, to work, must <I>contradict</I> the confessions you insist are genuine.<BR/><BR/>I don't think it's credible that Scott and Springsteen are covering for an unindicted co-ejaculator that they (or the prosecuters) never mentioned in all this time. It simply begs credulity, as do many of your comments here.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-80201213652965995212009-01-22T00:31:00.000-06:002009-01-22T00:31:00.000-06:00I can only assume that Austintatious thinks I am a...I can only assume that Austintatious thinks I am a one-sided buffoon. Sorry, but I am not the same anonymous. Also, if you had really paid attention to those videotapes of Michael Scott, you would have recognized those statements. You see, I WAS there at Scott's trial also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76339566108810540682009-01-21T13:31:00.000-06:002009-01-21T13:31:00.000-06:00"I love it when people say definitively that they ..."I love it when people say definitively that they KNOW they would never confess to something they didn't do no matter how much interrogation, torture, etc. they were put through. The fact is that you just don't know that until you have gone through it."<BR/><BR/>I cannot agree more. If someone is taken to court over a charge, no matter the charge, but it is a serious one. The DA has made known that if a deal is not struck and a guilty plea not entered, then they will load up all the guns and come out blazing, then Christ himself would think twice about 'going for broke'.<BR/><BR/>I have a family, I took a plea once, because I was not willing to risk going to prison for even a moment. No matter how innocent I really am. Leaving my family was neither an option, nor a thought. <BR/><BR/>Place yourself there. When you are caught up in something unsavory, knowing that if full disclosure at the time of offense was known to you, you would have acted differently. Then remember that you provide for the family, provide for the ones that look up to you and give you un-restricted love. THEN tell me you would not admit to guilt for something lessor to the actual act you've been charged.<BR/><BR/>In regards to murder, one only has to look at mafia trials to know that sometimes prison for a crime you did not commit, is far better than what would happen to you on the outside if you tell the truth.<BR/><BR/>I guess what I am trying to say is everyone has a point that they will not cross, especially when you are facing consequences greater than what the other side is giving you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48242413440379208122009-01-21T13:15:00.000-06:002009-01-21T13:15:00.000-06:00I have never met a bigger bunch of liars and name ...I have never met a bigger bunch of liars and name callers in all of my life until I had to go down to the Frank Crowley Courthouse. Then my defense attorneys came to me and told me exactly what I had to say and that the judge had better believe me or I was spending two years in prison. I had a very sick, disabled child at home that needed me very badly at his side. What do you think I did? Then the prosecutor tried to drag me into some kind of argument with her in front of the judge because she knew that I knew that she knew what she was saying was a big fat lie. It's got to be some kind of sick game. Either way, my son is doing much better today but without a doubt he would not be alive today if I had been sent to prison.<BR/>jackiebuffalo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7058684065284434202009-01-21T11:39:00.000-06:002009-01-21T11:39:00.000-06:00Those are not the sentiments of a career criminal ...Those are not the sentiments of a career criminal defense lawyer.Rage Judicatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765188025349228048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8355381838965981842009-01-21T10:38:00.000-06:002009-01-21T10:38:00.000-06:00From a raving lunatic to a one-sided biased buffoo...From a raving lunatic to a one-sided biased buffoon. The fact that you cannot denote sarcasm speaks volumes toward your non-existent intelligence. <BR/><BR/>As I stated before, I have watched the videotaped interrogations three times. I have read all of the transcripts. I attended every day of each trial. I am a former criminal defense attorney (only, never worked for the prosecution). I went into the case believing these young men had been railroaded. I came out of it know ing they were responsible.<BR/><BR/>I cannot link to the video or the transcripts because they are not online. Get off your lazy ass and get your hands on them yourself before you profess to be an expert in this case. If you haven't watched the tapes, you truly have no idea what you are talking about.<BR/><BR/>Good luck defending the defenseless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62961537579635812692009-01-21T02:17:00.000-06:002009-01-21T02:17:00.000-06:00I want Austintatious to read the book by Leo and t...I want Austintatious to read the book by Leo and the one by Gudjonsson. They point out how police can get a confession. It works when the subject is guilty, but also when the subject is not guilty. Confessions are gotten by police lies. Michael Scott says in his confession "I don't remember any of this". Leo calls this kind of confession a "persuaded false confession" Scott also says "Don't I need a lawyer?" That is the real injustice here. Why isn't Miranda necessary for a police interrogation? The inquisitor says: "No, you don't need a lawyer. You're not under arrest." We need to change state law to make Miranda applicable during a police "interview" (Interrogation). Scott also asks: "Can the police lie?" "No", the interrogator tells him. Then admits right there in court that he lied to get the confession. You really must read this book by Leo: Police Interrogations and American Justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64585755880726162282009-01-20T18:24:00.000-06:002009-01-20T18:24:00.000-06:00The resason many young men (18 - 20 year olds) con...The resason many young men (18 - 20 year olds) confess to sexual assault of a child when they had sex with their willing teenage girlfriends is because Texas law does not differentiate their offense from forced, violent rape. They are told they will go to prison for 20 years without a plea or they are asked if they had sex with their girlfriend not even realizing it was a crime so they admit it. The laws need to diffentiate the circumstances in tese kinds of offenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53720161151180245152009-01-20T17:38:00.000-06:002009-01-20T17:38:00.000-06:00Austintatious, so now the only way your argument s...Austintatious, so now the only way your argument stands up is if the DEFENSE planted the evidence ... in the judge's chambers? That's patently absurd. You're beginning to sound like a raving lunatic.<BR/><BR/>To answer your questions, I've not seen the interrogation tapes, but your slanted descriptions are contradicted by accounts from those who have, and you've provided no sourcing or direct quotes to make us think you have direct knowledge. Also, Leo said he thinks Springsteen's was a false confession, too, but of a different brand than Scott's. See more on the distinction he made <A HREF="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2009/01/expert-yogurt-shop-murders-offer-prime.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>You're absolutely right your argument about planting evidence is "ludicrous." Clearly 123txpublicdefender is right - you're obviously willing to make up lies about defense counsel or smear the victims as sluts (without a shred of evidence supporting the contention), basically claiming anything to justify getting convictions.<BR/><BR/>You've demonstrated with your last comments that yours is not a credible critique - just an example of someone who wants convictions at any cost, whether the defendants are guilty or not.<BR/><BR/>Unindicted co-ejaculator, indeed.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69729655207466043812009-01-20T17:08:00.000-06:002009-01-20T17:08:00.000-06:00@txpd: You don't have much of an imagination for a...@txpd: You don't have much of an imagination for an alleged "public defender." <BR/><BR/>But since you are too sensitive for creative license, let's go this route -- it was planted by the defense. The samples have been sitting in the Judge's closet since the trials and anyone can have access to it.<BR/><BR/>Sound ludicrous? Of course. But this is the type of argument raised by defendants all the time. You should know that.<BR/><BR/>Please.<BR/><BR/>@Grits: Have you actually watched Springsteen and Scott's confession videotapes? Also, how come Mr. Leo has not claimed "with every bone in his body" that Springsteen's confession was coerced?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-87481767430499856602009-01-20T17:00:00.000-06:002009-01-20T17:00:00.000-06:00@GFB: One more thing: You seem to believe Scott an...@GFB: <I>One more thing: You seem to believe Scott and Springsteen's confessions en toto.</I> <BR/><BR/>Nothing I have written would lead a reasonable human being to make that conclusion. No confession, even if the perp was on videotape, will ever contain all of the correct information. It is impossible for one person to recall every single detail of any event in their life down to an infinitesimal certitude. <BR/><BR/>But the fact remains, Springsteen and Scott both, while more than a thousand miles away from one another, confessed to several details of the crime scene in willing, non-coerced confessions that were videotaped and signed off by each of them. Many of the details they provided were key to the crime scene such as the placement of the bodies, the stacking of the bodies, the separation of Amy Ayers from the stack, the cigarette pack used to prop open the back door, and plenty more. While certain details had been leaked out over the years, there was enough confessed to by Scott and Springsteen that had not been leaked as to point to their involvement in the murders of the four girls.<BR/> <BR/><I>But if their confessions were true, why didn't either man mention the unknown perpetrator who we now know committed the actual rapes?</I><BR/><BR/>Again, who's to say how the sperm got there in the first place. And if DNA test results did indicate it belonged to the killers, Scott and Springsteen, their supporters and people like you would be claiming that the evidence was planted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69924060394895972392009-01-20T13:28:00.000-06:002009-01-20T13:28:00.000-06:00The unindicted co-ejaculator strikes again! I dou...The unindicted co-ejaculator strikes again! I doubt Roy Criner is laughing.<BR/><BR/>Austintatious:<I> It could have been from a three-way the sisters had with another guy. It could have been from a cheating boyfriend who was sleeping with each girl.</I><BR/>I always love it when people (usually prosecutors or Court of Criminal Appeals judges named Keller) defend a conviction by calling the victims whores. It's so classy. Not to mention logical. Oh yes, I'm sure it's much more likely that two teenage girls--one of whom was just 15 years old--had a three-way with some other guy the day or night they just happened to be brutally murdered than that the semen in their vaginas was from their rapist-killer. Please.123txpublicdefender123https://www.blogger.com/profile/16074278445586583355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-28548216396755280692009-01-20T12:58:00.000-06:002009-01-20T12:58:00.000-06:00One more thing: You seem to believe Scott and Spri...One more thing: You seem to believe Scott and Springsteen's confessions <I>en toto.</I> But if their confessions were true, why didn't either man mention the unknown perpetrator who we now know committed the actual rapes?<BR/><BR/>Do you really think they've been protecting some unknown party this whole time at the personal risk of the death penalty? That assumption is the only way your theory works, and it requires us to BOTH believe the damning parts of their confessions but to ignore the exculpatory parts. You just don't get to do both.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-38763007009092168562009-01-20T12:25:00.000-06:002009-01-20T12:25:00.000-06:00Austintatious, I threw out several options for you...Austintatious, I threw out several options for your motives to give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know why you've reached unwarranted, false conclusions that ignore forensic evidence, and I won't disparage your motives, but that doesn't overcome the contradictions in your arguments. The DNA evidence destroyed the prosecution's explanation of the crime because it points to a perpetrator that doesn't fit their theory. All the anonymous whining in the world doesn't change that.<BR/><BR/>As for your comment about Barry Scheck, now you're just spewing foolishness to misdirect attention from an ill-conceived argument. Scheck was Simpson's <I>lawyer,</I> not somebody presented as an expert. Either you don't fundamentally understand the role of an advocate in court, or you're intentionally misrepresenting the truth to score points. Whichever is the case, it's hard to take such comments very seriously.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20767633668465010162009-01-20T12:08:00.000-06:002009-01-20T12:08:00.000-06:00@GFB: You're talking in circles and simply blowing...@GFB: <BR/><BR/><I>You're talking in circles and simply blowing smoke when you say, entirely falsely, that "The prosecution's 'theory' has nothing to do with the number of people involved." That's either completely misinformed, splitting hairs that cannot be split, or else a flat out lie. It's just wrong to say the cases were made individually</I><BR/><BR/>Throw out enough choices and you're bound to get one of them right, eh, Grits?<BR/><BR/>Of course testimony came into trial about each defendant, as well as others who were not convicted or arrested. Bottom line, however, which is "entirely true," is that the defendants' confessions are what got them arrested and convicted. Confessions which were in no way coerced. <BR/><BR/><I>each man's confession was used against the other (improperly) to secure the (overturned) convictions.</I> <BR/><BR/>Their confessions were not used improperly, but rather the fact that the prosecution did not allow each defendant to testify in court so as to be cross-examined is why their cases were tossed.<BR/><BR/><I>DNA evidence now proves the prosecution's theory of the case was flat out, 100% wrong</I><BR/><BR/>No, unfortunately, you are incorrect and using absolute verbiage does not make it so. All the DNA tests prove is that the semen found in the Harbison sisters did not belong to Mike Scott or Robert Springsteen. <BR/><BR/><I>The forensic evidence points to some, unknown individual who has never been identified or officially accused in the case. Where is that person?</I> <BR/><BR/>Exactly. It could have been a friend of the defendants and an accomplice. It could have been from a three-way the sisters had with another guy. It could have been from a cheating boyfriend who was sleeping with each girl. It does not automatically make the donor the killer nor does it in any way eliminate Scott and Springsteen as willing and active participants in the murders.<BR/><BR/><I>Why are you so unconcerned that they won't be brought to justice?</I> <BR/><BR/>Your childish retort here is not worth responding to. This is a scoundrel's argument used in an attempt to smear your opponent. Impish and pathetic. <BR/><BR/><I>As for the alleged non-erections, first, please provide a source.</I><BR/><BR/>As I clearly stated before: the actual 18-hour videotaped confession of Michael Scott and the 3-hour videotaped confession of Robert Springsteen IV. Also, direct testimony in each trial, of which I did miss a single minute.<BR/><BR/><I>That's not what the prosecutors have been claiming all this time. They've been claiming (before the DNA surfaced) that the defendants raped the women, but now we know to a certainty someone else did that, and nobody knows who.</I><BR/><BR/>No, the actual testimony in court was that the girls were stripped naked, brutally executed with gunshots to the heads, stacked atop one another (excluding Amy Ayers), and lit on fire. <BR/><BR/><I>Their theory of the case has been utterly destroyed, if the forensics is accurate.</I> <BR/><BR/>That was never their theory.<BR/><BR/><I>Match the DNA found in the victims vaginas and you'll identify the real perpetrator.</I><BR/><BR/>No, you won't. See earlier realistic explanation.<BR/><BR/><I>Until then, the forensics simply don't fit the prosecution's theory of the case.</I><BR/><BR/>Just saying it again and again does not make it true.<BR/><BR/><I>Richard Leo, a national expert on false confessions, reviewed the same material and says he believes with "every bone in my body" that Michael Scott's confession was false, identifying numerous trademark elements that cast doubt on its verity.</I><BR/><BR/>And you probably believe DNA "expert" Barry Scheck was spot on when it came to OJ Simpson or there really were weapons of mass destruction because the CIA "expert" claimed it was a slam dunk.<BR/><BR/>Experts who fill up courtrooms such as Mr. Leo have a product to sell - their viewpoints. That's why most trials will feature experts from both sides of the equation. Each with a differing viewpoint based upon the same evidence. Many of these experts make an incredibly handsome sum of cash to convince juries with "every bone in their body" that their viewpoint is the only correct one.<BR/><BR/>Color me unimpressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64708458115172727812009-01-20T10:54:00.000-06:002009-01-20T10:54:00.000-06:0010:27 - You're talking in circles and simply blowi...10:27 - You're talking in circles and simply blowing smoke when you say, entirely falsely, that "The prosecution's 'theory' has nothing to do with the number of people involved." That's either completely misinformed, splitting hairs that cannot be split, or else a flat out lie. It's just wrong to say the cases were made individually - each man's confession was used against the other (improperly) to secure the (overturned) convictions. So the prosecution theory of the case involved more than just one person, even if the cases were only tried one at a time.<BR/><BR/>DNA evidence now proves the prosecution's theory of the case was flat out, 100% wrong, or else the DNA would match one of the people they have long claimed committed the crime. Bottom line: It doesn't. The forensic evidence points to some, unknown individual who has never been identified or officially accused in the case. Where is that person? Why are you so unconcerned that they won't be brought to justice?<BR/><BR/>As for the alleged non-erections, first, please provide a source. That's not what the prosecutors have been claiming all this time. They've been claiming (before the DNA surfaced) that the defendants raped the women, but now we know to a certainty someone else did that, and nobody knows who. Their theory of the case has been utterly destroyed, if the forensics is accurate.<BR/><BR/>Match the DNA found in the victims vaginas and you'll identify the real perpetrator. Until then, the forensics simply don't fit the prosecution's theory of the case. They're either going to have to drop charges or come up with a new theory that implicates a different perpetrator who, at the moment, we've never heard of before.<BR/><BR/>Finally, while I appreciate the effort it took to review the material you describe, Richard Leo, a national expert on false confessions, reviewed the same material and <A HREF="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2009/01/expert-yogurt-shop-murders-offer-prime.html" REL="nofollow">says he believes</A> with "every bone in my body" that Michael Scott's confession was false, identifying numerous trademark elements that cast doubt on its verity. If the forensics contradicted him, I'd be more likely to discount his assessment. But they don't; they contradict your position.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1556769198713209702009-01-20T10:39:00.000-06:002009-01-20T10:39:00.000-06:00@anon 7:24 - Austintatious- You seem to have a lot...@anon 7:24 - <I>Austintatious- You seem to have a lot of information that the rest of us do not have about the confessions of Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott.<BR/>I am a family member and I say you are incorrect in the facts you are quoting.</I><BR/><BR/>I am a former criminal defense attorney who used to haunt the Travis County court rooms after I retired. The yogurt shop case fascinated me and I also believed the young men were being railroaded based on what I read in the local newspapers. After attending the trials I made a point of getting my hands on the full confession tapes from the judge. I watched them three times each and my very painful conclusion was that neither Springsteen nor Scott were coerced during their confessions. I have copies of the interrogations as well as written transcripts and have pored over them dozens of times. <BR/><BR/>While I am no fan of APD and completely understand they dropped the ball on solving these murders over and over, there is no way anyone can claim these confessions were coerced. Furthermore, the blatant lies promulgated by the defense team and the media in regard to the so-called "gun to the head" of Mike Scott is a complete fabrication and speaks volumes about the defense attorneys involved. <BR/><BR/><I>I think you better get your facts straight before you continue to run your mouth.</I><BR/><BR/>Based on the videotaped interrogation of your son, I would assume this is probably Mr. Springsteen's father. Now I see where your son inherited his confrontational and abusive demeanor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48149430709086739432009-01-20T10:27:00.000-06:002009-01-20T10:27:00.000-06:00@GFB: the problem with assuming those confessions ...@GFB: <I>the problem with assuming those confessions are good at this point is that they don't match the physical evidence in the case</I><BR/><BR/>Given the fact that the majority of the physical evidence was either burned up in the fire or washed away by the firefighters' water hoses, I find it difficult to rectify your claim.<BR/><BR/>Murders have been solved with far less physical evidence than in this case and without confessions of any sort. The main claim in this case is that the defendants' confessions were coerced, therefore, they are not guilty. If anyone sits down and actually watches the videotaped interrogations, it is rather obvious that there was absolutely no coercive behavior exhibited in either confession; physical or mental. <BR/><BR/><I>The DNA from the rapist came from someone else. Period. So if you say these men "fully" confessed, how does that fit the prosecution's theory of the case?</I><BR/><BR/>The prosecution's "theory" has nothing to do with the number of people involved. When Scott was tried, it was strictly his participation that was at issue. Same with Springsteen. Heck, testimony in regard to Maurice Pierce and Forrest Welborn was included in the trial. Welborn was never charged long before these trials and Pierce was eventually set free due to lack of evidence against him <I>and</I> a lack of a confession on his part. If APD was so gung-ho about getting these young men, they would have "coerced" Pierce into making a false confession as well. If anyone would have fallen into the stereotypical trappings of a pitiful defendant with a delinquent background, a substandard education, and susceptibleness to intimidationn it would have been him. But no, the alleged ringleader, did not buckle under the so-called pressure. Springsteen and Scott did.<BR/><BR/><I>To credibly claim Scott and Springseen's confessions were true and accurate, at this point, you must explain why the DNA evidence contradicts them.</I><BR/><BR/>But the DNA results do <I>not</I> contradict their confessions. Both men admitted they could not achieve erections, therefore, they did not sexually violate the girls. Subsequently, their DNA did not appear in the girls' vaginas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-82551593423546466002009-01-20T09:49:00.000-06:002009-01-20T09:49:00.000-06:00The reality is that people do confess to crimes th...The reality is that people do confess to crimes they have not committed. Included but not limited to murder. It is easier to judge when you have never been closed in by the legal system, with no money, no seemingly person on your side to defend you. Locked in a room with cops pressing you, a prosecutor who continually delays court hearings so you sit in a jail cell enduring whatever, missing whoever - not getting a chance to that wonderfully made court appointed attorney who swears to defend you - as he shuffles to the back office with the prosecutor and in effort to clear his record as the DA and Judge arrange a luncheon - he accepts whatever...so the alleged criminal is forced to accept whatever. Hopeless, helpless and uneducated to the criminal actions of those highly titled people oathed to serve "justice". You talk and write about situations you don't know...about situations you have never encountered or even touched. Only judged from the sidelines. People do admit to crimes they have not committed....I know....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34878121412785162562009-01-20T07:53:00.000-06:002009-01-20T07:53:00.000-06:00BTW, I should add 1) my last comment was directed ...BTW, I should add 1) my last comment was directed at Austintatious; I didn't notice they'd left a handle. And 2) the issue with the DNA is that the presence of an unidentified suspect as a Yogurt Shop rapist destroys the prosecution's fundamental theory of the case. If the rapist wasn't one of the suspects they've identified, their whole case is based on a mistaken premise and someone else likely committed the crime. It's just not credible to claim that Scott and Springsteen are covering for some fifth accomplice at this late stage.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-26782402727778867532009-01-20T07:24:00.000-06:002009-01-20T07:24:00.000-06:00Austintatious- You seem to have a lot of informati...Austintatious- You seem to have a lot of information that the rest of us do not have about the confessions of Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott.<BR/>I am a family member and I say you are incorrect in the facts you are quoting. I think you better get your facts straight before you continue to run your mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-88439188839847776542009-01-20T06:02:00.000-06:002009-01-20T06:02:00.000-06:001:55, you noted you used to review TYC/TDCJ cases ...1:55, you noted you used to review TYC/TDCJ cases for the purposes of appeals. Who does that now? I know of a few kids in TYC who desperately need appeals, particularly those who pled to sex crimes and will have to register following release.<BR/><BR/>As for pleading to something you didn't do, for many of these kids, it's about not having many options and not understanding the ones you do have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40666251687518504942009-01-20T05:43:00.000-06:002009-01-20T05:43:00.000-06:00To 3:29, etc., the problem with assuming those con...To 3:29, etc., the problem with assuming those confessions are good at this point is that they don't match the physical evidence in the case, which is one of the main ways false confessions are identified. The DNA from the rapist came from someone else. Period. So if you say these men "fully" confessed, how does that fit the prosecution's theory of the case? If it doesn't, the other most likely explanation is the confessions were false.<BR/><BR/>To credibly claim Scott and Springseen's confessions were true and accurate, at this point, you must explain why the DNA evidence contradicts them. One of them is erroneous - the forensics or the confessions.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-83039301291389115682009-01-20T02:05:00.000-06:002009-01-20T02:05:00.000-06:00Does the term "Without Prejudice" have a legal mea...Does the term "Without Prejudice" have a legal meaning in the USA? If so, that's the only thing I would say or sign.A Voice of Sanityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285284153694191831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-16411792426989389452009-01-19T18:00:00.000-06:002009-01-19T18:00:00.000-06:00I love it when people say definitively that they K...<I>I love it when people say definitively that they KNOW they would never confess to something they didn't do no matter how much interrogation, torture, etc. they were put through. The fact is that you just don't know that until you have gone through it.</I><BR/><BR/>A threat to my family is the only thing that would make me do that under these circumstances. It's not like they put his nads in a vice, they kept him awake and thirsty. Third-world type torture is extremely rare in the US (no, I'm not saying it never happens, but it didn't happen to this guy), and short of that, I think I can say with certainty that I wouldn't confess to a murder I didn't commit. Believe that or not, but some people have fairly high constitutions and can take a little sleep deprivation and thirst. I'm sure my level of education is a tad higher as well, and that would contribute.Rage Judicatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765188025349228048noreply@blogger.com