tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post2813984637435694920..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Lege to examine Great Eldorado Polygamist RoundupGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55918877409603833552010-02-12T11:20:30.813-06:002010-02-12T11:20:30.813-06:00First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t...First they came for the Communists,<br /> and I didn’t speak up,<br /> because I wasn’t a Communist.<br />Then they came for the Jews,<br /> and I didn’t speak up,<br /> because I wasn’t a Jew.<br />Then they came for the Catholics,<br /> and I didn’t speak up,<br /> because I was a Protestant.<br />Then they came for me,<br /> and by that time there was no one<br /> left to speak up for me.<br /><br />by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8781957336623526172009-03-18T13:31:00.000-05:002009-03-18T13:31:00.000-05:00At any rate, genocide is a very strong word that t...<I>At any rate, genocide is a very strong word that that most aptly describes the mass killing/destruction of a whole racial/cultural group of people.<BR/><BR/>Comparing this to the Holocaust or Rawanda(sp?)etc. reduces or waters down the intended use of the word. </I><BR/><BR/>The definition as originally coined:<BR/><BR/><I>Generally speaking, <B>genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation,</B> except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify <B>a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups,</B> with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the <B>disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, </B>and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.</I><BR/><BR/>The definition adopted by the UN:<BR/><BR/><I>any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or <B>religious</B> group, as such:<BR/><BR/>(a) Killing members of the group;<BR/>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;<BR/>(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;<BR/>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;<BR/><B>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. </B></I><BR/><BR/>All emphases are mine.<BR/><BR/>It is simply untrue to say that the term "genocide" was ever intended to refer exclusively to mass murder. Do your research, Anon.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13290860224390205062009-03-17T23:14:00.000-05:002009-03-17T23:14:00.000-05:00BluesI just want the religious descrimination to e...Blues<BR/>I just want the religious descrimination to end there is a thing or two on that in the un commission too, it seems your idea of good government is to throw everyone in jail....besides its not polgamy that I defend it is the flds right to practice thier religion which includes polygyny!<BR/> <BR/>As far as the United Nations go I think thats pretty dangerous to have a commission of people trying to write international laws that conflict with the Constitution of the United States of America.<BR/> The first amendment still stands and it is pretty clear on religion,<BR/>somthing you and your child snatching state are trying with all your might to destroy....I suppose you view it with glee when you see the pain on the childrens faces, is that what you mean by funny?...disgusting!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-43461165148654950392009-03-17T10:43:00.000-05:002009-03-17T10:43:00.000-05:00mhojho,I don't see it as obvious.I do find it extr...mhojho,<BR/><BR/>I don't see it as obvious.<BR/><BR/>I do find it extremely funny that you are quite willing to use the U.N. definition of 'genocide' while conveniently ignoring their position on polygamy...<BR/><BR/>Since the U.N. Commission on Human Rights states that:<BR/><BR/><I>Polygamous marriage contravenes a woman’s right to equality with men, and can have such serious emotional and financial consequences for her and her dependents that such marriages ought to be discouraged and prohibited. The Committee notes with concern that some States parties, whose constitutions guarantee equal rights, permit polygamous marriage in accordance with personal or customary law. This violates the constitutional rights of women, and breaches the provisions of article 5 (a) of the Convention.</I><BR/><BR/>The United States signed the U.N. Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination in 1980. This included the requirement to protect women against polygamy, as noted above. Since polygamy is a Human Rights violation, should the FBI go after the FLDS for violating human rights?<BR/><BR/>Just curious, since you seem to want to use only part of the U.N.'s stuff, and not the rest...TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8817047653553310982009-03-16T23:03:00.000-05:002009-03-16T23:03:00.000-05:00"The Pedophile Polygamist Support Group folks don'..."The Pedophile Polygamist Support Group folks don't like to claim genocide, without considering the entire definition, specifically the part requiring 'intent to destroy...' They can't prove that part, so they ignore it. <BR/><BR/>"It is just like they claimed there were no underage pregnant girls, and once those were found (and the molesters indicted), they claimed it doesn't count because none of the girls claim that they were victims..."<BR/><BR/>LOL and this comment was made to do what?<BR/> <BR/> Blues a while back you said you didn't care which way the law read <BR/>yet every comment you make is designed to destroy the FLDS!<BR/><BR/> and btw an indictment is an accusation not a conviction :innocent until proven guilty remember? <BR/> <BR/> and as far as the intent to destroy? pretty obvious isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-80752892304336433982009-03-15T11:44:00.000-05:002009-03-15T11:44:00.000-05:00The word genocide was first used in about 1944 to ...The word genocide was first used in about 1944 to describe the Holocaust. It's roots are in the greek word genos, meaning race or kind and the latin word cidere, to kill. The correct way to form that word would be genticide.<BR/>At any rate, genocide is a very strong word that that most aptly describes the mass killing/destruction of a whole racial/cultural group of people. Using the word to describe the round up of some Polygamists is a bit of a stretch. Comparing this to the Holocaust or Rawanda(sp?)etc. reduces or waters down the intended use of the word. <BR/>While I am all for religious freedom, I do support those that violate the rights of others. If we say that children's brains are not fully developed until they are 17 or 21, I can't remember which, than we cannot go along with the idea that a 14 yr. old was mature enough to choose to marry a 54 year old man with 5 other wives. Anyway, polygamy is against the law in Texas isn't it? Phewy on calling it's acceptance religious tolerance. What about the Muslim man who recently cerimoniously beheaded his wife because she was going to divorce him? Do we ignore human rights, women's rights and the laws of this country in our support of religous tolerance? <BR/> CPS, FPS etc.. tend to create and abide by many stupid rules and guidelines that make no sense and overstep the boundaries of parental rights. A long as individuals support the role of government as parent there will be organizations that abuse the power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-14357650783338917742009-03-13T08:22:00.000-05:002009-03-13T08:22:00.000-05:00LOL.This if from someone that can't identify the d...LOL.<BR/><BR/>This if from someone that can't identify the difference between <A HREF="http://coramnonjudice.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-pharisee-is-wearing-his-tinfoil.html" REL="nofollow">a CPS affidavit and a search warrant affidavit</A>...TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55801344575075802012009-03-12T16:04:00.000-05:002009-03-12T16:04:00.000-05:00It remains my contention that Blues has few friend...It remains my contention that Blues has few friends, and cannot get attention, unless we give it to him.Hugh McBrydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16926516260588481185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-26404033906137210392009-03-12T12:42:00.000-05:002009-03-12T12:42:00.000-05:00By my above statement, I in no way meant to cast a...By my above statement, I in no way meant to cast aspersions on the moral standards of righteous young women of the FLDS, nor to villify their reputations.Toeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749070231826492410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2851920413341431012009-03-12T12:28:00.000-05:002009-03-12T12:28:00.000-05:00Interstate communications involving false claims d...Interstate communications involving false claims does seem to break federal statutes; I recall seeing reference to a recent case in Kansas City with such charges (sorry, I don't have a url, but I'm sure any knowledgeable attorney could do a quick search.)<BR/><BR/>Accusation does not equal guilt. Let's have an equal and non-biased application of civil rights. <BR/><BR/>If we are to allow Rozita the benefit of doubt, and say there is a possibility that she left her cellphone along with her brother's cellphone on a counter somewhere, and someone else used them to place these calls, then we must also allow the same consideration for the accused men in Texas. <BR/><BR/>We would have to consider the possibility that some underage FLDS women may have participated in wild parties in the woods, such as have been reported in the past by rebellious FLDS teenagers, and simply came home pregnant, much like many other underaged pregnant non-FLDS women in Texas.Toeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749070231826492410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61412978949251113542009-03-12T11:50:00.000-05:002009-03-12T11:50:00.000-05:00Funny how TBM is talking about "formal definitions...Funny how TBM is talking about "formal definitions" and in the same comment uses the term "pedophiles" in relation to postpubescent teenagers.<BR/><BR/>And as for intent to destroy? Get your head out of the sand.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64567634546440422622009-03-12T11:42:00.000-05:002009-03-12T11:42:00.000-05:00Anon 11:55,The Pedophile Polygamist Support Group ...Anon 11:55,<BR/><BR/>The Pedophile Polygamist Support Group folks don't like to claim genocide, without considering the entire definition, specifically the part requiring 'intent to destroy...' They can't prove that part, so they ignore it. <BR/><BR/>It is just like they claimed there were no underage pregnant girls, and once those were found (and the molesters indicted), they claimed it doesn't count because none of the girls claim that they were victims...TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-9419002642968754452009-03-12T10:37:00.000-05:002009-03-12T10:37:00.000-05:00Mmmm.. probably not. If Anon were echoing some of ...Mmmm.. probably not. If Anon were echoing some of TBM's typical talking points, I might agree with you.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34130945278201698662009-03-12T09:40:00.000-05:002009-03-12T09:40:00.000-05:00Lucille (pssst...) It's PROBABLY because it is B...Lucille (pssst...) It's PROBABLY because it is Blues, trying to look like he has friends.Hugh McBrydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16926516260588481185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20728478930079724642009-03-12T09:33:00.000-05:002009-03-12T09:33:00.000-05:00This isn't about being open minded to religion.Yes...<I>This isn't about being open minded to religion.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, anon (why can't you sign an name to your posts?), it is. <BR/><BR/>Or, rather, it's being close-minded when it comes to government abuses of power, and realizing that the harms a government agency can do outweighs by far the harm a man whose decisions, affect maybe a couple thousand people at the most, is capable of.<BR/><BR/>See, before this whole affair broke out, I had never heard of the FLDS, as far as I remember. And I thought CPS was, in general, an unfortunately necessary government agency.<BR/><BR/>Now, after reading about this affair, I started reading about lots more of their abuses of power, not just in Texas but nationwide, including some notorious cases in my own state, and I'm a lot more critical of them.<BR/><BR/>This whole affair has furthered immensely my cynicism about government agencies.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53058854565649580242009-03-12T08:45:00.000-05:002009-03-12T08:45:00.000-05:00Genocide has never been defined as solely consisti...Genocide has never been defined as solely consisting of "mass murder". The man who coined the term did not limit the concept to mass murder. And it's not defined as such in international law.<BR/><BR/>Genocide is the "cide" of a "genos", not necessarily any individuals.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-29563235397090194632009-03-12T00:24:00.000-05:002009-03-12T00:24:00.000-05:00anonWhile precise definition varies among genocide...anon<BR/><BR/>While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1]<BR/><BR/> maybe you should think before posting!I wasn't refering to mass murder I was refering to transfering children from one group to another and causing mental harm so dont be as sick as them by trying to justify "yes" GENOCIDE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81543669223917553212009-03-11T23:55:00.000-05:002009-03-11T23:55:00.000-05:00biggotry has everything to do with it, anyone who ...biggotry has everything to do with it, anyone who sanctions genocide is a sick individual.<BR/><BR/>What? Who was killed in this situation? Where's the massacre you're alluding to? Whatever your opinion on the situation, the people had the press, attorneys, and the courts with which to make their cases. To compare what happened here with mass murder is a gross exaggeration and a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67291087704767865552009-03-11T23:45:00.000-05:002009-03-11T23:45:00.000-05:00"And a traced phone number, in and of itself, is n..."And a traced phone number, in and of itself, is not probable cause unless you can show that a particular person used that phone."<BR/><BR/><BR/> but a bogus phone call is enough to take hundreds of children from thier parents?<BR/><BR/> biggotry has everything to do with it, anyone who sanctions genocide is a sick individual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3439662209750202352009-03-11T21:49:00.000-05:002009-03-11T21:49:00.000-05:00Hey!Dufus!On a different charge that they can prov...Hey!<BR/><BR/>Dufus!<BR/><BR/>On a different charge that they can prove.<BR/><BR/>I know from prior conversations that you don't understand the concept of probable cause, but you have to have it on each and every charge...<BR/><BR/>You can't just make it up as you go.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Karateka,<BR/><BR/>If you arrest her on Texas charges now (and I haven't heard any of y'all say what you would charge her with), with no more proof than that, she'll walk. Or you can see if the investigation turns up anything else.<BR/><BR/>And a traced phone number, in and of itself, is not probable cause unless you can show that a particular person used that phone.<BR/><BR/>Bigotry, has nothing to do with it. The proof of that was just posted on my blog, with a video of someone who generally has the same views as the FLDS.TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1252641971063070712009-03-11T21:43:00.000-05:002009-03-11T21:43:00.000-05:00People wouldn't be so quick to defend the FLDS if ...People wouldn't be so quick to defend the FLDS if they harbored a lot of middle aged women married to and having sex with teenaged boys. Or if they were men having sex with boys who were of age. But because it was teenaged girls who were being exploited, people think it's quaint and traditional. This isn't about being open minded to religion. It's about people being "open minded" to sexism and the cradle-to-grave control of the female sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-21850733355458111762009-03-11T20:32:00.000-05:002009-03-11T20:32:00.000-05:00TxBluesMan talking about "probable cause?" Think ...TxBluesMan talking about "probable cause?" Think I've heard everything now. So, in the case of the FLDS religious bigotry constitutes "probable cause," but in the case of Swinton a traced phone number does not? <BR/><BR/>At least Javert was consistent.karatekahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07552697265294046621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19556508017012320762009-03-11T19:17:00.000-05:002009-03-11T19:17:00.000-05:00Hey!Moron.She's already BEEN arrested once.Hey!<BR/><BR/>Moron.<BR/><BR/>She's already BEEN arrested once.Hugh McBrydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16926516260588481185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-22633793400203261062009-03-11T19:12:00.000-05:002009-03-11T19:12:00.000-05:00On what basis should she be arrested? Do you have...On what basis should she be arrested? Do you have proof? Did someone see her make the calls? Did she confess?<BR/><BR/>Could she have left the phone setting down on a counter and someone else used it?<BR/><BR/>You have to have at least probable cause, and in her case, for a felony level offense since you can't extradite for a misdemeanor.<BR/><BR/>Y'all seem real quick to throw away civil rights when it comes down to a person that y'all don't like...TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-91126585391214680752009-03-11T17:59:00.000-05:002009-03-11T17:59:00.000-05:00I have a new logo idea for the Texas Department o...I have a new logo idea for the <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/14601462@N08/2536090587/" REL="nofollow"> Texas Department of Family and Protective Services.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com