tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post3233359661226458363..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Embarrassing: Lege ensures more false convictions with 81st session failuresGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-32241979623247107182009-06-03T19:44:07.947-05:002009-06-03T19:44:07.947-05:00Just wanted to say thanks Grits. For this blog, ke...Just wanted to say thanks Grits. For this blog, keeping those of us that do care in the loop, so to speak.<br /><br />It is a bit disheartening to have this legislative session end on such a disappointing note.<br /><br />But what you do does make a difference and I just wanted to tell you that I think so.<br /><br />Much Obliged!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-25138113948958213052009-06-02T18:39:08.154-05:002009-06-02T18:39:08.154-05:00I think the minority on here are losing the point....I think the minority on here are losing the point. The justice system is supposed to guarantee that innocent people are NOT put behind bars. Remember the statement better that 10 guilty go free than one innocent put away? I guess that part of US history was lost on you. <br /><br />It's funny, 200 and some odd years ago, our fore-fathers fought a war to enable us to be free. Over those same 200 and some odd years WE as American's have happily given everything regarding freedom back to a New King... The Government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13434874316060289812009-06-02T11:32:55.814-05:002009-06-02T11:32:55.814-05:00WELCOME to TEXAS<
COME ON VACATION, LEAVE ON PR...WELCOME to TEXAS<<br />COME ON VACATION, LEAVE ON PROBATION.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37433738027299941262009-06-02T10:53:15.369-05:002009-06-02T10:53:15.369-05:00"Anonymous said...
less than 50 exonerations. Any ..."Anonymous said...<br />less than 50 exonerations. Any system with that kind of error rate is considered a very good system. Not perfect (as no system is perfect) but very good."<br /><br />If you were 1 of the 40 who spent 20+ years in a Texas pole barn for something you didn't do, your opinion would change. Like most Texans, this does not affect you directly so you don't care.Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37908370977682798422009-06-02T10:40:20.780-05:002009-06-02T10:40:20.780-05:00A little good legislation could go a very long way...A little good legislation could go a very long way. Thousands of innocent people in our prisons means thousands of lives ruined. If this injustice is preventable, why not prevent it?<br /><br />If it is your life, it is 100% ruined. IF it is your life ruined, it is 100% significant and 100% worth fixing.<br /><br />Anyone that thinks our judicial system works pretty well, truly does not know what they're talking about.<br /><br />I too am embarassed to find that the Texas Ligislators are so worried about their votes that they are paralyzed when it comes to doing the job they were elected to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34062418052469545272009-06-02T10:27:40.576-05:002009-06-02T10:27:40.576-05:00By focusing on the apparently small statictical er...By focusing on the apparently small statictical error rate compared with all criminal prosecutions, anon 6:58 loses focus on what is at issue - implementing better procedures that can improve accuracy. These mistakes are so bad (not only for the innocent guy in prison, but for the true perp who is free to victimize others), so until we take all the steps we can to prevent the mistakes, we are taking unnecessary risks. Get over the defensiveness and get on board with making the system better wherever we can!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-89767923625566172122009-06-02T07:31:59.217-05:002009-06-02T07:31:59.217-05:006:58 - Your pitiful attempts to downplay this issu...6:58 - Your pitiful attempts to downplay this issue and fabricate a low error "rate" ignores several critical facts -<br /><br />Most importantly: The recent exoneratiosn were only those with DNA. DNA only exists in less than 10% of violent crimes and was destroyed by most jurisdictions for older cases, or they'd be seeing the same type of numbers Dallas does. The METHODS that cause false convictions - bad eyeID techniques, etc.- are widely used in many cases where no DNA exists to test.<br /><br />Applying the most common <A HREF="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/05/counting-innocent-discussion-of.html" REL="nofollow">estimates on the rate of false convictions</A>, the number of innocent people currently sitting in prison likely runs <A HREF="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2009/01/estimating-false-convictions-thousands.html" REL="nofollow">into the thousands</A>.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-32821273529639268682009-06-02T06:58:18.055-05:002009-06-02T06:58:18.055-05:00Texas prosecuted about one million people last yea...Texas prosecuted about one million people last year. Average that number back over 20 years, and you see that the system does pretty well. And, so, Grits says discover that human error results in less than 50 exonerations. Any system with that kind of error rate is considered a very good system. Not perfect (as no system is perfect) but very good.<br /><br />So, that's why the whining and exaggeration of this web site falls on deaf ears. It's one thing to suggest some improvements. It's another to point fingers, accuse and exaggerate. People don't listen when you take that approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53483992380162624882009-06-02T00:32:35.833-05:002009-06-02T00:32:35.833-05:00SH Larry said...
Maybe it's time for taking t...SH Larry said...<br /><br /> Maybe it's time for taking that self-serving, egotistical attitude out of Texas, and maybe someone should realize innocence does exist in this state? Or is it too late and we're just so damn head strong to realize innocence is a possibility and sometimes a reality in TEXAS as we've seen in DALLAS?<br /><br />I like this. Amen. I have never understood why there is no outrage over the 40 that we know about. No outrage and one new law passes the legislature. Seriously, what in the hell is wrong with Texas? I live here and I cannot answer that but I know this. Until something slaps Texans in the face (in other words, directly affects them), it's hard to get them to care. <br /><br />This issue is not going away. The HPD crime lab was shady for years before principles got caught messing with evidence and now word comes that cops working for the lab lied about bad evidence in court.<br /><br />I really want to have confidence in the criminal justice system but thats impossible with the liars, cheats and sneaks who make up the system. How do you begin to fix a system that is so tainted by toxic practices that it cannot admit error?<br /><br />Help!!!!Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-50231413883269895412009-06-02T00:01:11.448-05:002009-06-02T00:01:11.448-05:00Grits, We know how you feel here in Bexar. Simonel...Grits, We know how you feel here in Bexar. Simonelli's lawyers got Fitzgerald on Depo to admit he knew about the false positives for 4 months and did nothing until she spoke out. So, you have one of the top ten largest cities in the US, with the head of the probation department admitting he knew bad evidence was going to court. Now I know that is about 3 to 4 crimes that he committed by hiding the evidence. Susan Reed sits behind her big desk doing nothing. Reed could careless about justice or the truth. Reed has the evidence and chooses to ignore the crimes by Fitzgerald. We all have to fight for what should be obvious to the common person. I do have faith that the false convictions in Dallas will eventually change the laws. As for this lege they have the Susan Reed disease.....do nothing.<br /><br /> Go... Nico La Hood.....yes she has an opponent in 2010...see things are looking up for Bexar...Hang in Grits the change is coming....just not soon enoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-63527201116764451612009-06-01T22:52:52.884-05:002009-06-01T22:52:52.884-05:00Maybe it's time for taking that self-serving, egot...Maybe it's time for taking that self-serving, egotistical attitude out of Texas, and maybe someone should realize innocence does exist in this state? Or is it too late and we're just so damn head strong to realize innocence is a possibility and sometimes a reality in TEXAS as we've seen in DALLAS?SH Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53026093521365373322009-06-01T22:39:33.960-05:002009-06-01T22:39:33.960-05:00Anonymous said...
I agree with Grits. You can...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> I agree with Grits. You can't believe an eye witness. To many eyewitnesses have taken the thugs off the streets. It time to put them back out there.<br /><br /> 6/01/2009 09:57:00 PM<br /><br />Hey idiot, they have taken the WRONG people off the streets in at least 40 DNA exonerations. These are the ones we know about so guess what? YOUR THUGS ARE STILL OUT THERE! Multiply this by the shadiness (non-DNA) all over Texas and you can rest assured, PO-PO has got the wrong guy plenty of times. Lock your doors and windows, Texas gets the wrong people and when they are called on it, DO NOTHING to go after the actual perps. IDIOT!Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-87041785189822358592009-06-01T22:24:40.285-05:002009-06-01T22:24:40.285-05:00I have never been so disgusted by the Texas legisl...I have never been so disgusted by the Texas legislature than I have been this session. Ego pychos like Whitmire and Williams alowed to run all over their fellow Senators without consequence? Where did representative government go?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-90751906273467399052009-06-01T21:57:49.619-05:002009-06-01T21:57:49.619-05:00I agree with Grits. You can't believe an eye witn...I agree with Grits. You can't believe an eye witness. To many eyewitnesses have taken the thugs off the streets. It time to put them back out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-89567492365224877722009-06-01T19:38:18.845-05:002009-06-01T19:38:18.845-05:00The saddest commentary of the night is that anon 5...The saddest commentary of the night is that anon 5:57, no matter how offensive, has got the full backing of the lege. At least, that is the way it appears from their lack of action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-16938856865760273212009-06-01T19:25:30.862-05:002009-06-01T19:25:30.862-05:005:57, you don't have a clue what you're ta...5:57, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. For starters, I don't oppose the death penalty. Plus, a survey by the Justice Project from last fall showed these exact police practices are ongoing. Finally, cross examination won't help when a false ID has been reinforced by police behavior at the time they make the identification (because most agencies don't use blind administration.) Each of your petty little barbs are BS red herrings - pure ignorance wrapped in smarmy self satisfaction.<br /><br />Try to comment here in reaction to what's actually been written instead of speculating about others' motives which you clearly know nothing about.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36013734141680733232009-06-01T19:09:09.536-05:002009-06-01T19:09:09.536-05:000557: how do you explain what's been happening...0557: how do you explain what's been happening in Dallas County? <br /><br />Maybe one of your family members, close friends, or even yourself needs to experience what these men went through before you guys actually get it. <br /><br />In reality, I don't see much difference in law enforcement practices and lawyering 20 years ago from today, and by killing these bills, I don't see it happening again for some time. The economy two years from now, if it stays the course, will certainly draw attention away from these matters. <br /><br />I'd give our "elected leaders" an "F" this session, not just on the innocence projects, but many, many more. <br /><br />Now I think I'll play "go fish" with my daughter, which amounts to the way you all seem to think.<br /><br />I think GFB is right on the money.SH Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19212336917417486752009-06-01T18:04:17.412-05:002009-06-01T18:04:17.412-05:000557 ANON - This is not, or should not be a libera...0557 ANON - This is not, or should not be a liberal v. conservative issue. Texas law and order morons (like yourself) cannot seem to fathom 40 DNA exonerations. They just dont get it. The truth is the police and DA's in a number of cases are SHADY! There is an institutionalized problem in Texas with eyewitness identification.<br /><br />You are right, there should be a moratorium on capital punishment until Texas proves it can get the right person. This state is a JOKE and the criminal injustice system should be feared. All you have to do to go to prison in this state is NOT have an alibi. Doesn't matter whether you did it or not!Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13366866551136833452009-06-01T17:57:11.359-05:002009-06-01T17:57:11.359-05:00Boo hoo, grits. You got caught with your pants dow...Boo hoo, grits. You got caught with your pants down.<br /><br />The truth is that you are trying to manipulate the passage of a law by pointing the finger at police practices and lawyering from 20 years ago. Shame on you.<br /><br />The truth is that a competent defense attorney should be able to challenge an improper ID through cross-examination and the use of an expert witness. Why don't you demand new laws requiring competent defense attorneys?<br /><br />The truth is that the general point of all your whining was to try and move one more step to trying to abolish the death penalty. When will you be as honest as you demand prosecutors to be?<br /><br />Once again, the liberals have outsmarted themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com