tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post4843392763493885933..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Houston PD discplinary system like swiss cheese thanks to cop-friendly arbitrationGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19695115781455736412013-07-15T11:49:52.466-05:002013-07-15T11:49:52.466-05:00Grits, do you know what year Texas started allowin...Grits, do you know what year Texas started allowing this form of in-house law enforcement discinplinary practice to operate? It used to be I.A. units that covered up dirty cops actions (another in-house trick).<br /><br />*I believe that you have posted similar posts on this topic (fake discipline) in the past.<br /><br />If they keep getting slaps instead of real discipline, then we should consider keeping a database on the slappees (and the arbitrator(s) ) to see where they are on a yearly basis. <br /><br />Wouldn't we feel stupid to find out that we voted for a judge that has a record of getting away with crimes or played critical roles in falsely arresting folks and beating a few women along the way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34862974667337386202013-07-15T11:35:13.303-05:002013-07-15T11:35:13.303-05:00You'd be flat out wrong to say these words -
...You'd be flat out wrong to say these words -<br /><br />"Arbitration isn't really the problem."<br /><br />Either it's wrong or it's not - can't report one thing and assume another. A Cover Up is a Cover Up, no matter what cool trick is used. <br /><br />Yes Emily, Arbitration is the problem and you just reported it. Grits covered it under the post entitled - "Houston PD discplinary system like swiss cheese thanks to cop-friendly arbitration". A great must read. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40967645627872160122013-07-15T11:26:58.690-05:002013-07-15T11:26:58.690-05:00If the public (the portion that walks upright) has...If the public (the portion that walks upright) has no problem with this version of I.A. being a final decision maker regarding police misconduct, then why don't we just go ahead and inject the following -<br /><br />Let's arbitrate criminal complaints against citizens by utlizing an appointed ex-convict. We would save millions in tax dollars. If they (cops) can set up an in-house Cover-Up Unit, then we (citizens) should look into it also. Goose and gander.<br /><br />At some point even the cops will have to admit that this in-house shit is flat out wrong. Only the dirty will take time to fight for a cover up unit in their corner. It's a great time to be a dirty cop. Go dirt bags!, go dirt bags!, don't worry about it, we got your 6and the so-called 'clean' cops and citizens arn't saying shit. It's a frat after all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44596738358805788012013-07-14T14:15:55.613-05:002013-07-14T14:15:55.613-05:00Arbitration isn't really the problem. Arbitrat...Arbitration isn't really the problem. Arbitration points to the problem, and the arbitration documents provide a look at the messed up approach to evaluating officer wrongdoing, but arbitration sees only a few dozen cases a year. <br /><br />The problem is how few complaints are sustained and how mild the discipline is when they are "punished." That's where justice gets miscarried. Arbitration is just garnish.Emily DePranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14736033156483970671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-89672559329501822402013-07-13T13:05:55.989-05:002013-07-13T13:05:55.989-05:00Both parties are involved in the "hiring"...Both parties are involved in the "hiring" of the hearing officer. Each side strikes from a list of 7 possible arbitrators until only 1 remains. So your argument about hearing officers considering whether they will be hired goes both ways. After having been involved with this process, from both sides of the issue, I have been most comfortable with this process. The Civil Service Commission members are hand picked by city councils to favor the city. Police chiefs are dealing with political issue which can affect their decisions.. I would much rather have a neutral hearing officer. I have seen hearing officers who were ex- city attorneys or ex- federal judges. Not exactly groups that are biased in favor of officers or worrying about getting hired as a hearing officer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23473464728726955662013-07-13T09:41:45.200-05:002013-07-13T09:41:45.200-05:00Well, 9:29, it's certainly working like the un...Well, 9:29, it's certainly working like the unions wanted it to when many years back they got the Democrats to install special protections to keep cops from being held accountable. Not really working for the public, though, now that it has become essentially impossible for chiefs in civil service cities to control their own departments.<br /><br />Arbitrators know the police unions won't agree to use them if they don't grant leniency more often than not. Meanwhile, the unions have far more clout than management in local politics. Your comment is either disingenuous or naive, probably the former.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-39958813615967795552013-07-13T09:29:51.588-05:002013-07-13T09:29:51.588-05:00Sounds like the civil service system is working. I...Sounds like the civil service system is working. It is designed to provide an option for someone not involved ( not supervisors, officers or non-PD complainants) to look at the situation objectively. Both the officer and PD are involved in selecting the hearing officer so this isn't some type of hearing officer bias in favor of police. It does appear to raise some issues about supervisor abuse of the complaint system by filing inappropriately or use of unjustified discipline levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8209308890617715372013-07-13T03:21:50.379-05:002013-07-13T03:21:50.379-05:00"...suspensions of just a few days..."
..."...suspensions of just a few days..."<br /><br />Most of the time with pay. Punishment ? HA !!!!DEWEYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48518209911383038132013-07-12T16:34:06.822-05:002013-07-12T16:34:06.822-05:00Wow! I am a state employee and only wish our unio...Wow! I am a state employee and only wish our union could do that much for us. How on earth can a governement entity in a right to work state have such a d!(#&d up system?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com