tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post5400030438466578982..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: 'The Police State is Here': Conservative critiques of Big BrotherGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-509641013939432932012-08-14T13:03:59.271-05:002012-08-14T13:03:59.271-05:00"We now live in Russia, China"? It seems..."We now live in Russia, China"? It seems to me that Hitler is in control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-28725716714609513742012-08-10T14:22:47.526-05:002012-08-10T14:22:47.526-05:00militarization" means we now live in Russia, ...militarization" means we now live in Russia, China, I guess. We are controlled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33447905571822661242012-08-07T18:06:57.717-05:002012-08-07T18:06:57.717-05:00Sounds like Charlie O and North Texas Cop just ina...Sounds like Charlie O and North Texas Cop just inadvertently agreed with one another. Apparently, it is important to understand what words actually mean. So what is the real difference between an ARMORED vehicle and an ARMED vehicle? If the cops are using armored vehicles to save people and protect themselves from nuts who shoot at them then I don't have a problem with them using them. Are police really using vehicles with big guns on them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-52830487386084745232012-08-07T15:43:15.365-05:002012-08-07T15:43:15.365-05:00all i can say North Texas Cop! is good riddence an...all i can say North Texas Cop! is good riddence and good bye!<br /><br />we've had enough criminal law enforcment shills here to last a lifetime!rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19931477252455361372012-08-07T15:21:50.430-05:002012-08-07T15:21:50.430-05:00North Texas Cop,
How about you pull your head out...North Texas Cop,<br /><br />How about you pull your head out of your ass? I work for a defense company that manufactures armored vehicles for the US Army and Marine Corp. In fact, there is NO SUCH THING as a TANK. We manufacture wheeled armored vehicle and tracked armored vehicles. Not one of them is EVER referred to as tank by either my company or the US Army or Marine Corps.<br /><br />Stop playing your silly semantic game. Police departments in this country are acquiring ARMORED and ARMED vehicles. That's militarization you stupid fucking bozo.Charlie Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81847183676605878752012-08-07T12:23:56.376-05:002012-08-07T12:23:56.376-05:00The Rockwall Peacefull traveller article is fairly...The Rockwall Peacefull traveller article is fairly accurate, however it does not discuss the false "plain view" claim. This is common bullshit used by LE to get around consent and a warrant.<br /><br />A careful read of the trancsript shows the state did not meet the burden of proof and their story is contradicted by the kite and the video, exhibit 1:<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B9a6B8xXNnZIZDZiOTI2YmQtY2M2Zi00ZTBhLWFmMDItM2E5YzM3YzdjM2Nm&hl=en_US<br /><br />After you cut thru the fluff it is not that long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36554573498543526072012-08-07T11:55:03.428-05:002012-08-07T11:55:03.428-05:00"who don't know the difference between a ..."who don't know the difference between a military tank with a main gun and an armored rescue vehicle"<br /><br />Wrong again - "And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret."<br /><br />Although, I'm sure if I were to do an open records request, any paperwork would show this to be simply a rescue vehicle. And, like I said, that rotating turret and big gun are just for show. So, I guess you're right. I should only beleive something if I hear it from the government. I should put complete faith and trust in the government and trust it as the only source of credible information. AFter all no government would ever mislead its citizens. No government would ever claim something to be benign that could be used to keep the masses in their place.. Nah, that would never happen. <br /><br />And, I'm sure that when the day comes that all of this "militarized" equipment is used against those who disagree with the government, you wills say it is all good and proper and reasonable. AFter all, its all for the good and protection of the people, isn't it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-32673150006074197662012-08-07T11:44:03.850-05:002012-08-07T11:44:03.850-05:00"Armored vehicles are not tanks."
And, ..."Armored vehicles are not tanks."<br /><br />And, that rotating turret is just for show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65531584692888701192012-08-07T11:33:02.685-05:002012-08-07T11:33:02.685-05:00I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I'v...I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I've noticed a trend that is disturbing. It seems that the federal government, particularly DHS is behind a big push to militarize local police - giving funding, military equipment, etc. It seems that the feds may be preparing to make sure they can enforce their will on the people via local law enforcement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44569284576441701302012-08-07T11:31:39.782-05:002012-08-07T11:31:39.782-05:00This is my last comment here: The Lenco Bearcat i...This is my last comment here: The Lenco Bearcat is not a tank. Armored vehicles are not tanks. The M-79 is an antiquated launcher used by cash-strapped police departments for less-lethal munitions, smoke, and CS (tear gas) applications for crowd control situations. They are not being used by police to launch grenades. No matter how many times you repost ignorant drivel, the fact remains that police are NOT using tanks and grenade launchers against American citizens. Period. It's not a matter of opinion. <br /><br />The information I have shared here is verifiable via open records requests or even a phone call. Do your own research and stop believing the crap you're reading on the Internet.<br /><br />It's your choice to continue believing the writings of ignorant people who don't know the difference between a military tank with a main gun and an armored rescue vehicle specifically designed or adapted for saving injured citizens and police officers. I can't help it if you choose to believe demonstrably false reports.North Texas Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55253534280747703502012-08-07T11:26:38.006-05:002012-08-07T11:26:38.006-05:00While the militarization of the police is obvious ...While the militarization of the police is obvious and overt, the behavior in the Rockwall Peaceful traveler article is far more insidious, the slaughter of the fourth ammendment. The officers blatantly lied under oath, under the American and Texas flag in a court of law. The court approved it and the district attorney continues to pursue it with hard evidence of police perjury publicly exposed. This district attorney has acknowledged criminal election violations of incumbents and has not filed with the grand jury. Complaints/grievances have been filed, but Austin has refused to step in giving unchecked power to the district attorney. If we quietly accept this through inaction, we approve and get what we deserve...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-89177101829453918662012-08-07T11:09:59.185-05:002012-08-07T11:09:59.185-05:00Nestled amid plains so flat the locals joke you ca...Nestled amid plains so flat the locals joke you can watch your dog run away for miles, Fargo treasures its placid lifestyle, seldom pierced by the mayhem and violence common in other urban communities. North Dakota’s largest city has averaged fewer than two homicides a year since 2005, and there’s not been a single international terrorism prosecution in the last decade.<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />But that hasn’t stopped authorities in Fargo and its surrounding county from going on an $8 million buying spree to arm police officers with the sort of gear once reserved only for soldiers fighting foreign wars.<br /> <br /><br />Every city squad car is equipped today with a military-style assault rifle, and officers can don Kevlar helmets able to withstand incoming fire from battlefield-grade ammunition. And for that epic confrontation—if it ever occurs—officers can now summon a new $256,643 armored truck, complete with a rotating turret. For now, though, the menacing truck is used mostly for training and appearances at the annual city picnic, where it’s been parked near the children’s bounce house.<br /> <br /><br />“Most people are so fascinated by it, because nothing happens here,” says Carol Archbold, a Fargo resident and criminal justice professor at North Dakota State University. “There’s no terrorism here.”<br /> <br /><br />Like Fargo, thousands of other local police departments nationwide have been amassing stockpiles of military-style equipment in the name of homeland security, aided by more than $34 billion in federal grants since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a Daily Beast investigation conducted by the Center for Investigative Reporting has found.<br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33707763355493072582012-08-07T11:07:37.016-05:002012-08-07T11:07:37.016-05:00Anytime
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Search resu...Anytime<br />Past day<br />Past week<br />Past month.<br />Search resultsTexas DPS now using FN machine guns and grenade launchers ...<br />Texas DPS now using FN machine guns and grenade launchers ... No matter what kind of threat police officeres face ... AUSTIN (KXAN) - The Texas Department of Public Safety ...<br />www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=99511 - CachedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-63777315410510049372012-08-07T11:03:00.814-05:002012-08-07T11:03:00.814-05:00Good grief, for a supposedly educated professional...Good grief, for a supposedly educated professional, you don't read too good, do ya:<br /><br />Roanoke, Virginia paid Armet Armored Vehicles , a private company that specializes in military vehicles, $218,000 to assemble a 20,000-pound bulletproof tank with a $245,000 federal grant. <br /><br />Not to feel left out, the Special Emergency Response Team (SERT) in Lancaster, PA, was recently seen sporting the Lenco BearCat , a camouflage colored Humvee-styled tank that can “knock down a wall, pull down a fence, withstand small-arms fire and deliver a dozen heavily armed police officers to a tense emergency scene,” according to a local news report. The BearCat was purchased a year and a half ago with a $226,224 grant from DHS, yet it has spent nearly two years sitting in a garage at the county's Public Safety Training Center. <br /><br />Police in Wellfleet, a community known for stunning beaches and succulent oysters, scored three military assault rifles. At Salem State College, where recent police calls have included false fire alarms and a goat roaming the campus, school police got two M-16s. In West Springfield, police acquired even more powerful weaponry: two military-issue M-79 grenade launchers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-49264380998823839112012-08-07T10:49:57.722-05:002012-08-07T10:49:57.722-05:00I've read ever single article to which you pro...I've read ever single article to which you provided links. I read them well before you posted this. It's not my fault that the authors of those articles used incorrect terminology, made false assertions, and/or willfully lied about the equipment. Repeatedly mislabeling and micharacterizing the function/purpose of hardware based on rampant ignorance doesn't make the falsehoods become true. If enough people wrote articles claiming your computer was actually a time machine, would that make it so? Hardly. I do this for a living, sir. I'm an educated professional who operates on facts and evidence. I am not a journalistic hack writing sensationalist B.S. If I'm so wrong, prove it. Name the state or local police agencies using tanks and grenade launchers. You can't do it because they don't exist.North Texas Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64053172367510536332012-08-07T10:37:40.666-05:002012-08-07T10:37:40.666-05:00Okay, NTC - this is getting ridiculous. If you bo...Okay, NTC - this is getting ridiculous. If you bothered to read those articles you would have seen that they did name some of the agencies. The fact that you said that none have been named proves you didn't even bother to read them. In fact, apparently you didn't even read the portions I quoted as one of those quotes specifically mentions Roanok, Va. Instead of reading the articles you just assumed they are all wrong. This is willful ignorance on your part. No matter how much proof is put in front of your face, you won't believe it. So, there is no point in continuing a discussion with someone like that. Maybe one day you will open your eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3166745571198004952012-08-07T10:32:36.768-05:002012-08-07T10:32:36.768-05:00Every one of those articles is wrong. There is no...Every one of those articles is wrong. There is not a single tank or grenade launcher present at any of those agencies. Not one. The fact that the authors did shoddy research and mischaracterized the actual nature of the equipment should be a true embarrassment to journalists and people who blindly quote such articles. Again, show me a single local or state agency deploying tanks or grenade launchers. Name the agency. You haven't done it yet.North Texas Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-32620485047309619262012-08-07T10:23:49.661-05:002012-08-07T10:23:49.661-05:00On the positive side, the early police forces were...On the positive side, the early police forces were well integrated into their communities, often solving crimes by simply chatting with people on the street corners. On the negative side, the police were suspicious of and often hostile to strangers ....immigrants, and, having strong loyalties to the local political machine, they were susceptible to bribery and political influence. 5 <br /><br />Police departments have evolved into increasingly centralized, authoritarian, autonomous, and militarized bureaucracies. Throughout the 19th century police work was considered casual labor, making it difficult for either municipalities or precinct captains to impose any uniform standards on patrolmen. Police did not consider themselves a self-contained body of law officers set apart from the general populace. <br /><br />The initial round of professionalization took place during the Progressive Era with the appearance of early police literature, fraternal organizations, and rudimentary recruitment standards — all of which suggest the emergence of a common occupational self-consciousness. Internal and external pressures forced the depoliticization and restructuring of police departments, which gradually reformed into centralized, depersonalized, hierarchical bureaucracies. To gain control of the rank and file, police chiefs assigned military ranks and insignia to personnel, and some departments required military drills. "Military methods have been adopted and military discipline enforced," wrote Philadelphia police superintendent James Robinson in his department's 1912 annual report.30 <br /><br />A wave of police unionism from 1917 to 1920 was a strong indication that police not only were acquiring a shared occupational outlook but had come to regard policing as a full-time career. Two events, however, signaled the break-away of police from their communities and into their modern professional enclave. In 1905 the first truly modern state police force was formed in Pennsylvania. Ostensibly created to control crime in rural areas, the Pennsylvania State Police was used mainly in labor disputes, since the state militias and local police (who were more likely to sympathize with strikers) had been ineffective. That centralized organization, under one commander appointed by the governor, recruited members from across the state so that no more than a handful of officers had roots in any single community. This new force was considered so militaristic that the Pennsylvania Federation of Labor referred to it as "Cossacks." Despite the misgivings of many people, Pennsylvania started a trend. Other states began to emulate Pennsylvania's state police force. <br /><br />Another good quote from the CATO artticleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23862864116048018822012-08-07T10:21:57.170-05:002012-08-07T10:21:57.170-05:00Between 1995 and 1997 the Department of Defense ga...Between 1995 and 1997 the Department of Defense gave police departments 1.2 million pieces of military hardware, including 73 grenade launchers and 112 armored personnel carriers. The Los Angeles Police Department has acquired 600 Army surplus M-16s. Even small-town police departments are getting into the act. The seven-officer department in Jasper, Florida, is now equipped with fully automatic M-16s.2 <br /><br />Good quote from the above article - seems, NC Cop - that they do have tanks and grenade launhers after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-16125067309324900662012-08-07T10:20:53.306-05:002012-08-07T10:20:53.306-05:00Here's a really good one that discusses some o...Here's a really good one that discusses some of the historical aspects:<br /><br />The Ominous Growth of Paramilitarism <br />in American Police Departments<br />http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/The_Law/paramilitarism_in_police2.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8203034632223020652012-08-07T10:17:24.243-05:002012-08-07T10:17:24.243-05:00From The Daily:
Thanks to it, cops in Cobb Count...From The Daily:<br /> <br />Thanks to it, cops in Cobb County, Ga. — one of the wealthiest and most educated counties in the U.S. — now have an amphibious tank. The sheriff of Richland County, S.C., proudly acquired a machine-gun-equipped armored personnel carrier that he nicknamed “The Peacemaker.”<br /><br /><br />Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-05/news/30476833_1_armored-vehicles-military-equipment-police-forces#ixzz22sG67CojAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-47589812140476796212012-08-07T10:16:28.060-05:002012-08-07T10:16:28.060-05:00Here's another one for you NT Cop
http://arti...Here's another one for you NT Cop<br /><br />http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-05/news/30476833_1_armored-vehicles-military-equipment-police-forces<br /><br /><br />The Pentagon Is Offering Free Military Hardware To Every Police Department In The US<br /> <br /><br /><br />Robert Johnson|December 05, 2011|<br /> <br />101,920|93<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> 120<br /> 244<br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(wikipedia commons)<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The U.S. military has some of the most advanced killing equipment in the world that allows it to invade almost wherever it likes at will.<br /> <br />We produce so much military equipment that inventories of military robots, M-16 assault rifles, helicopters, armored vehicles, and grenade launchers eventually start to pile up and it turns out a lot of these weapons are going straight to American police forces to be used against US citizens.<br /> <br />Benjamin Carlson at The Daily reports on a little known endeavor called the "1033 Program" that gave more than $500 million of military gear to U.S. police forces in 2011 alone.<br /><br /><br />Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-05/news/30476833_1_armored-vehicles-military-equipment-police-forces#ixzz22sFbQDeY<br /><br /><br />In the face of overwhelming evidence, your denials are rising to the level of willfull blindness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-60784458743998790812012-08-07T10:13:26.189-05:002012-08-07T10:13:26.189-05:00http://www.alternet.org/story/151528/why_do_the_po...http://www.alternet.org/story/151528/why_do_the_police_have_tanks_the_strange_and_dangerous_militarization_of_the_us_police_force?page=0%2C2<br /><br />Today's latest in paramilitary fashion sweeping through local police departments is the armored tank, which is making appearances all over the country at an increasingly alarming rate. The police department in Roanoke, Virginia paid Armet Armored Vehicles , a private company that specializes in military vehicles, $218,000 to assemble a 20,000-pound bulletproof tank with a $245,000 federal grant. <br /><br />@ North Texas Cop - the above cited article not only rebuts your assertion about tanks but also provides a very good and detailed analysis of the "miltarization" issue. <br /><br />I have no doubt you believe the things you are saying - but it is so easy to prove almost every point you are making to be wrong, yous should really quit now - its getting a little embarassing for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61003036201925889762012-08-07T10:00:27.266-05:002012-08-07T10:00:27.266-05:00This is exactly the type of ignorance and hyperbol...This is exactly the type of ignorance and hyperbole that I've been obliquely referring to. Contrary to Internet rumor, American police departments are not using "tanks" or "grenade launchers." If you have proof otherwise, name the agency that is using them. The FBI used a modified tank at Waco to inject tear gas into the Branch Davidian compound and was soundly crucified for it. I repeat: Show me any state or local police agency using tanks and grenade launchers. Hint: There aren't any. Now, what is "combat training?" If I'm learning how to use hard cover to keep from being shot and training to return fire, is that "combat training?" Is it learning how to use an AR-15? Bare hands in a fight? What tactics and techniques am I not allowed to know or use when I'm being shot at or having my pistol pried out of my holster?<br /><br />Would it surprise you to know that "traditional" police uniforms are based on military uniforms of the late 1800's? The earliest foundations of American policing have roots in and connections to military influences. Thus, by some peopke's definitions, American police have always been "militarized."North Texas Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-46468679710600734852012-08-07T09:28:34.787-05:002012-08-07T09:28:34.787-05:00North Texas Cop said...
Can someone please define ...North Texas Cop said...<br />Can someone please define the term, "militarization?". Please be specific. Is it based on perception, "looks," tools, or mission? I've heard the term used my whole career (16+ years) but it seems everyone has their own definition of the concept; many of which appear to be malleable depending on the news item or photo that offends the observer. So, seriously, somebody please tell me what "militarization" means. Whe you're at it, how can we be intellectually honest with the term when considering the history of American policing? For example, American police have had full-auto weapons since they were invented.<br /><br />8/05/2012 01:55:00 PM<br /><br />COMBAT TRAINING.<br /><br />TANKS.<br /><br />GRENADE LAUNCHERS.<br /><br />CALLING SHIFTS "PLATOONS"<br /><br />Anymore questions or are you honestly so indoctrinated you cannot see it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com