tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post5726413353875476421..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Reductions in solitary confinement on table for possible budget cutsGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67582757289642942522011-04-22T15:40:21.203-05:002011-04-22T15:40:21.203-05:00Ad-Seg---from one what has worked in Ad-seg as a C...Ad-Seg---from one what has worked in Ad-seg as a CO. They should release all the gang members or clique members from seg and move them to population because it doesn't seem to slow down gang acitvity any. Also there are inmates in seg for their own protection.Bossladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-6867597639834576372011-04-20T06:15:07.023-05:002011-04-20T06:15:07.023-05:006:29, yes, I realize there are different brands of...6:29, yes, I realize there are different brands of Ad Seg, but all the jargon and bureaucratese you prefer - because it shows you work in the system and hence in your mind confirms your expertise over all others - doesnt change the fact of what Ad Seg is, which is the place where prisoners are held in individual cells 23 hours a day away from the general population. To the average reader outside the bureaucracy, and as a practical matter, that's solitary confinement. "Ad seg" and the variants you name are bureaucratic euphemisms, and while your job certainly gives you expertise I'll never have, it also gives you a myopia that makes you focus too intently on a lingusitic distinction without a substantive difference.<br /><br />RIF'd employee, nobody forced you to come here and if you don't find what you read credible, don't come back. I say what I think and link to my sources so you can evaluate them for yourself. If you think I'm wrong, there's always a forum here for you to say so, and why.<br /><br />Besides, guess what? None of those legislators or their staff have ever worked in a prison, either, but they're the ones who write laws governing what goes on there. This idea that nobody gets to have an opinion if they don't draw a check as a CO may allow you a comforting sense of self-importance, but in the real world there are a lot more stakeolders than that.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1650374106284334762011-04-19T22:06:48.801-05:002011-04-19T22:06:48.801-05:00no guided tour from me...as obviously... I am RIF&...no guided tour from me...as obviously... I am RIF'd! Was just curious as a new watcher of grits & seeing how frequently he comments on stuff that does involve TDCJ, I was curious how in-tune he was to COs,non-COs & has actually walked inside a unit before. You can't really have a guy commentating on sports when he hasn't played sports a day in his life, can you?RIF'd employeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-6842923646029143932011-04-19T14:23:40.462-05:002011-04-19T14:23:40.462-05:00RIF'd employee said...
just out of curiousity...RIF'd employee said...<br /><br />just out of curiousity...grits, I'm curious how many prison units you have toured and worked on?<br /><br />4/19/2011 01:34:00 PM<br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />I'm sure your "guided tour" would include Polunsky (complete with death row gassings) perhaps Stiles and Beto. How about Price Daniel or one of the pole barns bursting at the seams with non-violent dopers????Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51801621606464378812011-04-19T14:17:46.606-05:002011-04-19T14:17:46.606-05:00The bill does not propose completely getting rid o...The bill does not propose completely getting rid of Ad Seg, Solitary, whatever we are going to call it. It should not be an indefinite confinement though. It should only house the people that are truly a risk. Ad Seg is used as a punishment to those that may not really be an "assaultive" risk to anyone.<br /><br />12:42 suggested that we look at the assault records of the offender in Seg, well let's do that. I guarantee there are offenders sitting in seg that have no assaultive records while in TDCJ. The point of the bill is to make Ad Seg primarily for those assaultive offenders, quit using it as punishment because it is very costly to provide the additional security. Spending a little more resources to take time and properly evaluate who needs to be there and how long will save in the long run.<br /><br />When you start overflowing Seg with people that don't need to be there then you start diminshing the security of the program. COs are complaining that there is not enough time to do their jobs with so many offenders in Seg. It is impossible to shake them down, give them their showers, give them rec, feed the meals. The simple solution is to evaluate who really needs to be there and move people out of it if they are not truly a risk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71940651413009078762011-04-19T13:34:13.408-05:002011-04-19T13:34:13.408-05:00just out of curiousity...grits, I'm curious ho...just out of curiousity...grits, I'm curious how many prison units you have toured and worked on?RIF'd employeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-79272067991095007882011-04-19T06:42:35.892-05:002011-04-19T06:42:35.892-05:00Yes, Grits, it is solitary, Its not solitary as in...Yes, Grits, it is solitary, Its not solitary as in the old school solitary but it is solitary as they define it today. I dont think they put the big metal door on the solitary cells anymore. In my day it was complete darkness, a piece of bread twice a day and 1 meal of pretty bad vegies every three days. It made you want to act right. Ad seg is a toned down version. We were also not allowed to talk while in solitaryThe Homeless Cowboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004267716709384953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-78242534999230716872011-04-18T20:50:08.357-05:002011-04-18T20:50:08.357-05:00Let's KEEP administrative segregation and let ...Let's KEEP administrative segregation and let some non-violent dopers out on parole. Prison should be for the worst of the worst and I am going to assume (I know what you're going to say about assuming) that TDCJ knows what its doing putting some of these folks in solitary.Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3323219231578715352011-04-18T18:29:40.145-05:002011-04-18T18:29:40.145-05:00grits for breakfast how long have you worked the s...grits for breakfast how long have you worked the system. check your facts on what solitary can have and what Ad Seg can have. Solitary is not considered as part if Administrative Segregaton. The Administrative Segregeaton Policy consist of Security Detention, Prehearing Dentention, Protective Custody and Temporary Dentention. Did you know that I do not see solitary in the policies. If you do please tell me the policy. Solitary is governed by it own policy. Learn your policies before you act like you know them. Oh and sense you have never worked for TDCJ you dont know the dangers. dont think writing about it or visiting a Unit makes you an expert come on in and put on a uniform for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7629269780780711182011-04-18T13:20:06.214-05:002011-04-18T13:20:06.214-05:00My understanding is that a majority of the offende...My understanding is that a majority of the offenders now in Ad Seg at the Stiles Unit are there as punishment for cell phone cases. I would expect the same at other units since it is State Classifications recommending the Seg. Although Seg is not suppose to be used as "punishment", that is exactly what it is for many of the newly admitted Seg population. They generally stay there for 18 - 24 months for a cell phone case, with good behavior during that time. A case for anything, no matter how minor would start the entire timeline over again. This feedback has come from one of the Majors at the unit and the State Classifications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-42544811360693699352011-04-18T13:01:14.303-05:002011-04-18T13:01:14.303-05:0012:42, yes it is solitary confinement. It's on...12:42, yes it is solitary confinement. It's one thing to critique the details of the proposal (I'd really suggest actually reading the bill before commenting much further), but don't pretend there's some inherent merit to TDCJ bureaucratese. "Ad seg" is just a politically correct term for solitary confinement.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-75779916413769868762011-04-18T12:42:00.785-05:002011-04-18T12:42:00.785-05:00It is not solitary confinement. They dont even Kno...It is not solitary confinement. They dont even Know the names of the areas they are talking about. Please do some research before changing things. and then come spend sometime with the offenders in Administrative Segregation. Some of the Offenders will assault you for just coming by their cell. This will put the staff in more danger. Please look at the assault records of these offenders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com