tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post6324904636658396283..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Police arguments against recording interrogations allow fear to impede self-interestGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-73944007468323103132012-02-15T16:59:40.634-06:002012-02-15T16:59:40.634-06:00I was informed my miranda rights, placed under arr...I was informed my miranda rights, placed under arrest, handcuffed and transported to a Police Dept. in Oregon. After being being placed in an area posted as being under surveillance by audio and video the officer then started questioning me.<br />Surveillance videotapes are classified as a form of photographic evidence under Federal Rule of Evidence 1001 and parallel provisions in most states. <br />I requested a copy of the footage relating to my questioning by the officer in a timely manner to be used as evidence by U S Postal service.<br />This request was not provided. Requests as to public information relating to policies, procedures and protocol used in conjunction with the surveillance equipment have failed, unless you consider a purchase order, sales slip, operation instruction and warranty information for a TV/ VCR combo as being connected.<br />Implementing an effective program requires more than simply purchasing and installing surveillance equipment. A comprehensive video management plan must be in place. AS we enter the digital age, planning for a system should be devoloped from the back-end (storage, filing and retrieving images) to ensure that technology will support the system selected. In addition, the plan begins with a broad assessment of an agencys video evidence needs and should bring together all parties with an interest in the success of the program.Prosecutors are integral to this process. Ultimately, they will have to defend the video medium.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-66422330295908802812011-03-11T00:38:55.724-06:002011-03-11T00:38:55.724-06:00then on offense grits but the bill is not only RET...then on offense grits but the bill is not only RETARDED but also a USELESS waste of time and money.<br /><br />Would be kind of like a bill being passed that orders law enforcment on patrol to use payphones only. Even though we have radio and cell phones.<br /><br />If it is passed you can be CERTAIN a few years down the road it will all be back in the air again once someone proves the cops coached them to confess using key cards and baseball bats that didnt' show on the AUDIO!rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-14332037198419007132011-03-08T14:34:04.127-06:002011-03-08T14:34:04.127-06:00Hey Grits, (hope I spelled it right?)
The Houston...Hey Grits, (hope I spelled it right?)<br /><br />The Houston Police Chief said that "videotaping cops is provocation and will lead to assaults on cops."<br /><br />We all know he's full of shit and now we learn that the fight to keep interrogations un-documented is being lead by police unions and a few L.E. agencies. <br /><br />Police unions are comprised of police and have lawyers on retainers. Law Enforcement agencies consists of those with policing powers. Both are chocked full of lobbyist. <br /><br />Thus, leaving the dumb-ass taxpayers to pick up the tab regardless of what decision is made. Now we know why the rest of the country thinks we are a bunch of hicks.<br /><br />Folks will you join me in calling Gallego & Ellis and let them know you support them and their endeavors or will you simply pay your taxes and go back to bed / the barn. Thanks.Thomas R. Griffithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-86504136273367625322011-03-08T13:50:36.195-06:002011-03-08T13:50:36.195-06:00Some dork said, "It would be adamantLY agains...Some dork said, "It would be adamantLY against, in the first paragraph, wouldn't it?" <br /><br /><br />This is what she meant to say - Weeee look at me, I'm a spell checker. Look how I put the l and y in upper case so everyone can see how smart I am. Look you can click on my image and see how proud of myself I am. I'm a dork.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62770533486744811212011-03-08T00:37:35.014-06:002011-03-08T00:37:35.014-06:00In England the cops are required by statute/code t...In England the cops are required by statute/code to make two copies of the recorded interview - one is handed straight over to the defense lawyer who, in the English system, is required to go to the police station at any time, day or night, if the suspect wants counsel. That takes care of tampering problems. And the suspect is also entitled to an "appropriate adult" i.e. a social worker/guardian ad litem in attendance at the interview, if the suspect has mental health problems or is a juvenile. Does this mean that nobody in England gets convicted? No - it just means that the statements obtained by the cops are much harder to challenge, but on the other hand, false confession cases are increasingly few and far between. The police hated these rules when they were first introduced in the mid-1980s - I think that now they mostly welcome them as a safeguard against false allegations that they improperly coerced a confession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-12796480028007260942011-03-07T06:41:20.592-06:002011-03-07T06:41:20.592-06:00Rod, cynicism is not argument. And you may think t...Rod, cynicism is not argument. And you may think the type of automatic system you describe is preferable to audio only, etc., but that's simply not what's required in the bill.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-31839019275006228432011-03-06T00:15:48.167-06:002011-03-06T00:15:48.167-06:00lol
" If there are procedures and documentat...lol<br /><br />" If there are procedures and documentation for uploading/downloading and no access to editing software for the cops making the recordings,"<br /><br />this would be the same type of procedures and documentation that is supposed to get them to do the job right in the first place that isn't working? NEXT!<br /><br /><br />"I've little doubt that problem could be managed without every department setting up a high-end sound room."<br /><br />as for this what high end sound room? would be simple enough to setup a video camers that covers whole room that runs into a dvd recorder that will ONLY use ONE-TIME disks! No editing allowed period. It turns on when someone goes in the room and turns off when nobody is in the room.<br /><br />as for just audio sorry we're not in the 1950's this is the 21st century 10 year olds can make videos why can't 20-60 year old police?<br /><br />plus of course with just audio individuals who might want to fake the system have way too many ways to do it and not been seen.rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-92078829687753427442011-03-05T22:46:13.373-06:002011-03-05T22:46:13.373-06:00It would be adamantLY against, in the first paragr...It would be adamantLY against, in the first paragraph, wouldn't it?WEHIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01521746665293269018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-15498551424748081832011-03-05T16:23:09.847-06:002011-03-05T16:23:09.847-06:00Next up, Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan.Next up, Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-16148274126771986592011-03-05T06:19:19.581-06:002011-03-05T06:19:19.581-06:00Rod, fwiw, it doesn't have to be video under t...Rod, fwiw, it doesn't have to be video under the bill, audio will do. And a cop would need editing software to alter a recording. If there are procedures and documentation for uploading/downloading and no access to editing software for the cops making the recordings, I've little doubt that problem could be managed without every department setting up a high-end sound room.<br /><br />Besides, departments already must have capability to record confession statements, and testimony in committee was that 97% of confessions these days are recorded statements, not written. So to the extent departments need the capability you describe, they already have it in place for recording confessions, and the same protocols could be applied to interrogation recordings.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-74849222139404052732011-03-05T00:56:35.697-06:002011-03-05T00:56:35.697-06:00the problem about the money grits would be because...the problem about the money grits would be because of one thing<br /><br />any setup to record this type of thing could NOT use normal video. It would need to be a ONE TIME use item that is unchangeable by anyone other wise it's just a waste of time.<br /><br />If you think you can't play with a recording jsut watch any sci-fi show!rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-59638552653045499532011-03-04T16:25:05.877-06:002011-03-04T16:25:05.877-06:00The accused does not have to write out a confessio...The accused does not have to write out a confession. Some very nice police officer will type it in a very slanted way. All the accused must do is sign it. The accused is not even encouraged to read it because it has been a long day. Everyone is tired and wants to go home and by now they are all best buddies. It makes be want to gag and I don't think it is unusual. I feel certain that a judge that looks at a typed confession is aware is aware that it was not the words of the accused and that no attorney was present. Try getting such a confession thrown out of court. They are taken anyway they can get them.Angeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00323251252533007308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2267422214132988532011-03-04T14:43:01.283-06:002011-03-04T14:43:01.283-06:002:10, perhaps not, but that's not an argument ...2:10, perhaps not, but that's not an argument against recording interrogations. Do you have any?Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-39460733640131924442011-03-04T14:10:51.621-06:002011-03-04T14:10:51.621-06:00Objectivity is important regarding this issue. Peo...Objectivity is important regarding this issue. People who have made a career of making negative, one-sided comments about the police may not be an objective source.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2759523542251584802011-03-04T11:48:18.386-06:002011-03-04T11:48:18.386-06:00I agree with GFB here. I think that with the abil...I agree with GFB here. I think that with the ability of the officers at times to fabricate stories, push the arrestee to the limit with few breaks and long interrogations, would be beneficial in some cases. It would allow for those to be seen who are fully coerced and ones that are not. Grisham's "The Confession" backs up the need in a fictional, but easily true East Texas way of justice. I like the idea. It protects both sides and relies less on eyewitnesses which are poor choices or jailhouse snitches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33715380735705788672011-03-04T11:44:36.948-06:002011-03-04T11:44:36.948-06:00How could it possibly be illegal to record police ...How could it possibly be illegal to record police behavior in public? That would never make it past a judge.<br /><br />And, I know Shreveport, LA police record everything that happens in the interrogation rooms. Even at that, they got sued several years ago for beating on a suspect in an interrogation room! It was on video!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-27058784844249247452011-03-04T09:38:30.237-06:002011-03-04T09:38:30.237-06:00It's not fear it's resentment of anyone ha...It's not fear it's resentment of anyone having authority OVER the police. Cops hate anyone in charge. They loathe their own Chiefs of Police, and any government entity that tries to hold them accountable. It's the nature of the badge err uhm beast!Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-83084720186263399422011-03-04T09:25:16.442-06:002011-03-04T09:25:16.442-06:00Grits, Love your Blog! It is on my daily must rea...Grits, Love your Blog! It is on my daily must read! Could you examine the current issues regarding the PUBLIC recording police officer conduct. I know it is in the courts at this time, but I am unaware as to how smaller counties in the rural areas handle the issue. Harris county has their stance (against it). I am wondering if you know of any arrest stats (regarding public filming of police actions) for the remainder of Texas. Thanks for keeping us informed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com