tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post6417614443822898375..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Youngest of alleged YFZ teen moms not really pregnantGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2690398767618347542008-05-22T15:30:00.000-05:002008-05-22T15:30:00.000-05:00Oh, this is sweet!Oh, this is sweet!SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771426407793750051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-9381262491118792762008-05-22T12:50:00.000-05:002008-05-22T12:50:00.000-05:00cnn.comSAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- The state of Tex...cnn.com<BR/><BR/>SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- The state of Texas should not have removed more than 400 children it took from a polygamist sect's ranch, an appeals court ruled Thursday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37929118927865207492008-05-22T12:33:00.000-05:002008-05-22T12:33:00.000-05:00The Third Court of Appeals has "conditionally" gra...The Third Court of Appeals has "conditionally" granted the writ of mandamus and has ordered a return of the kids to the parents included in the petition filed before that court. I got this directly from Legal Aid--but they did not have time to explain the ruling in detail to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-18398206051042896012008-05-22T08:36:00.000-05:002008-05-22T08:36:00.000-05:00There is one good thing that will come out of all ...There is one good thing that will come out of all of this. Since the CHILDREN are all in foster care, they will qualify for lifetime eductional benefits. I guess this will include all the disputed age lady's as well. After all they were placed. Yes the state has a program where CPS will pay for multiple school programs, pay a stipen and living expenses. This is a good thing if you discount being drug from your home, placed in a foster care reeducation program and only allowed to see you family under supervised visitation. BTW - Supervised visitation means that the family and child can meet, but the visit is recorded and the Staff is present and takes notes for the CPS worker. Just remember don't say the wrong thing or your plan will be modified. And don't ask about how much this educational program will eventually cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48647411069647634782008-05-22T07:58:00.000-05:002008-05-22T07:58:00.000-05:00Looks like #8 of the disputed minors got ticked ov...Looks like #8 of the disputed minors got ticked over to the adult column today:<BR/><BR/>"The state's decision to file a notice of non-suit on Lenora Jeffs brings the official number of women formerly classified as children to eight, with at least one more expected."<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6yrdx9Melaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17835000810958783854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-74007530703473370792008-05-22T01:34:00.000-05:002008-05-22T01:34:00.000-05:00Maybe I should have said in a crowd of strangers.T...Maybe I should have said in a crowd of strangers.<BR/>The biggest threat, by far, are those known to children. Who does that leave?SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771426407793750051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-31979794072030148882008-05-22T00:38:00.000-05:002008-05-22T00:38:00.000-05:00"Our kids are actually safer with strangers!"That ...<I>"Our kids are actually safer with strangers!"</I><BR/><BR/>That <B><I>isn't</I></B> true. They spend more time with known people like family and friends or partners of family.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to spout nonsense like that, you undermine your positions and the interest with which I was reading your comment.<BR/><BR/>Before you made it wane, that is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20100141679529643882008-05-21T23:15:00.000-05:002008-05-21T23:15:00.000-05:00I have spent many years digging into sex offender ...I have spent many years digging into sex offender laws and how they impact society. If we intend to keep this from happening again we must be willing to take responsibility for the safety of our own children.<BR/>Whenever there is a high-profile abduction/rape, murder case ( such cases are rare or we wouldn’t still be talking about the horrific murder of Jessica Lunsford some 3 years ago) we buy every law that is put in front of us. With each one we give government more authority over our children. Support for the government’s actions is high when there is a possibility of sexual misconduct. I am the best caregiver and decision maker for my children and CPS can come and get them based on a hoax call. No government agency should have that much power.<BR/>All of our sex offender laws are based on stranger-danger while 93% of sex crimes do not involve a stranger. Public registration tells us what happened to another family but there is not a single child that can be pointed out as being saved by the registry. John Walsh is still pushing stranger-danger and the Adam Walsh Act is about stranger-danger. We spend mountains of money on these things and many parents rely on the registry to tell them how closely we should watch our children.. The registry is not where the danger lies! Our kids are actually safer with strangers! We have to decide if our intent is further punishment or protecting children. If our goal is protecting the children we could drop all of the bs politics and educate people to look closer to home. If we actually put this into practice it would be called “prevention” which is something the government does not offer.<BR/>The penalties for non-stranger sex crimes are far too high. Do you want to know how I know that? It is because children continue to live with abuse. According to Debbie Riddle children have no concept of time and, if they aren’t willing to give up a family member for 25 years, they deserve what they get. So we live in a country where many kids are getting what Ms. Riddle thinks they deserve. When we get it right, if we ever do, the children will come streaming out of their private prisons.<BR/>Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch recently issued a report on sex offender recidivism. A 15 year study showed that 75% remained offense free. The 25% recidivism rate is spread over 15 years. If my math were better I would tell you the percentage per year. A 3 year study by the DOJ shows a national recidivism for those who commit crimes against children is 3.3 %.. A couple of years ago I attended a TX CURE meeting and an official with the state reported that the Texas recidivism rate is less than 3%.<BR/>I advocate for children. They are innocent pawns in a nation of profitable, political, feel-good laws. In addition, we are demonizing all males and wiping away remaining remnants of families. Am I the only one who is fed up?SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771426407793750051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69626841954823570782008-05-21T22:52:00.000-05:002008-05-21T22:52:00.000-05:00At least one of the lawyers visited the ranch with...At least one of the lawyers visited the ranch with her children last Sunday. She had 2 or 3.<BR/><BR/>I have to say one thing about this latest development. I usually represent licensed health providers and providers of care for the disabled in regulatory actions in my practice. Often when I have exercised my client's rights to dispute a regulatory action, the particular agency on the other side has sent investigators out to my client's facilities in the midst of hearing when they know that the owners or administrators will be in court or in a hearing. It is an intimidation technique.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76443362667232150922008-05-21T22:38:00.000-05:002008-05-21T22:38:00.000-05:00CPS is taking babies born to FLDS "disputed minor"...CPS is taking babies born to FLDS "disputed minor" mothers into custody. So, I presume CPS will also want to take the children of whoever is visiting the ranch into custody. Seems like specific accusations of abuse are not needed-after all, CPS is keeping all the kids in custody regardless of any specific allegation of abuse against specific parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1773334391723562732008-05-21T22:32:00.000-05:002008-05-21T22:32:00.000-05:00They're following the beliefs Warren leads them in...They're following the beliefs Warren leads them in;<BR/><BR/>It's a pervasive pattern here;<BR/><BR/>and the big one, they're in West Texas!<BR/><BR/>Looks like an immediate danger of abuse as the courts have ruled so far.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-43813791278882551072008-05-21T22:18:00.000-05:002008-05-21T22:18:00.000-05:00Jessop is also quoted as saying, and this is my su...Jessop is also quoted as saying, and this is my summary, that if anyone saw kids on the ranch it was probably kids accompanying some relative coming from elsewhere coming to comfort a family member on the ranch.<BR/><BR/>Can CPS really take a visiting guest after the fact like that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-56671137657005777882008-05-21T21:24:00.000-05:002008-05-21T21:24:00.000-05:00We're baaaaack! "About 5 p.m. Mountain time, two ...<A HREF="http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,700227858,00.html?printView=true" REL="nofollow">We're baaaaack!</A> <BR/> <I>"About 5 p.m. Mountain time, two Child Protective Services workers and two Schleicher County sheriff's deputies returned to the gates outside the ranch and spoke with Jessop... He said CPS scrubbed immediate plans to raid the ranch because news media were outside."</I><BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700227803,00.html?pg=1" REL="nofollow">Mix of topics</A><BR/>Couple hearings, Ex-FLDS, Religion, rights, Religion, rights, Disputed minors, Recusal and Sarah.<BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=8359508&nav=0s3dI0wK<br/>" REL="nofollow">KXAN Austin News </A> has a crew inside the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado right now.<BR/><BR/>Jessop said the Child Protective Services believes there are five children, both boys and girls, still at the ranch. They received the information from eyewitnesses and a phone call, but Jessop will not say who made the call.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/21/inside-the-flds-hearings-%e2%80%9dthe-children-are-all-fine-medically%e2%80%9d/" REL="nofollow">NOTE: </A> <B>THE JUDGE MENTIONED TO THE COURT THAT THE COURT STAFF HAS “BLOCKED OFF 5 WEEKS IN SEPTEMBER FOR PERMANANCY HEARINGS,”</B> Go here to the <BR/><A HREF="http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/" REL="nofollow">3:55 PM</A> post link if that last link is a problem. That first link to 360 and this <A HREF="http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/21/dispatch-from-flds-hearing-child-wishes-to-return-home/" REL="nofollow">one </A>look to be the most recent on the hearings.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B><I>"It's early in the GAME..."</I> <BR/>Allison Palmer, ADA</B>kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-10520030023115536042008-05-21T20:16:00.000-05:002008-05-21T20:16:00.000-05:00You would think CPS wouldn't take adult women as m...You would think CPS wouldn't take adult women as minors, but even though the "disputed minors" say they showed CPS birth certificates, that didn't stop CPS from holding them.<BR/>I also wonder if some relatives of those FLDS members did show up with children after the raid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40623017859147119282008-05-21T19:59:00.000-05:002008-05-21T19:59:00.000-05:00Excellent comment, Ted Clayton, and well said.Pers...Excellent comment, Ted Clayton, and well said.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I dated and more often slept with several LDS members among others and eventually converted to the church, which I soon left after realizing church attendance and religious faith did not trump my sex drive and hot women won out.<BR/><BR/>So my testimony wasn't especially strong. But we all have our own story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-6951982706608550022008-05-21T19:47:00.000-05:002008-05-21T19:47:00.000-05:00RL ... we noticed you kinda step in something we d...RL ... we noticed you kinda step in something we don't need tracked through the house ... certainly understand the natural feelings involved & the concern we all harbor in this area (that there not be more of these events).<BR/><BR/>... And wanted to volunteer, I was raised little as a Jehovah's Witness, in an area where it wasn't especially weird, then in the military I joined the Mormons (on the strength of young Mormons doing so well by their selves & their beliefs), and one of the key things about these 'peripheral' religious groups is their experience of having been "persecuted" in the past, and the value they place as a community on the experience & importance of being "tested" with their own challanges ... expecially those coming from 'outside', and most valuable of all to them, mistreatment by the Government and the Law.<BR/><BR/>This goes Way back. Old Testament, and was old then.<BR/><BR/>Point is, these FLDS folks are not befuddled or 'thrown' by what is happening to them. This is not an experience 'outa the blue', and they are not in a seething turmoil, trying to come up with a way to express their frustration.<BR/><BR/>Nope. They know that God Almighty is honoring them, by recognizing they are prepared & strong. He is giving them the opportunity to put their convictions to good purpose, to convert their Faith into Works.<BR/><BR/>I then left the Church(es) in about 1975, and have been happily non-religious ever since. But ya never forget...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69516297941073273012008-05-21T19:40:00.000-05:002008-05-21T19:40:00.000-05:00Rebuffed at gateWillie Jessop said ranch residents...<A HREF="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080521-1636-polygamistretreat.html" REL="nofollow">Rebuffed at gate</A><BR/><BR/><I>Willie Jessop said ranch residents would allow authorities to investigate any legitimate claims of abuse. He briefly spoke to a sheriff's deputy who came back Wednesday evening and left again without searching the premises. <BR/><BR/>“If they have an honest complaint, we'll be honest, but we were lied to,” said Willie Jessop, noting that authorities have never produced the alleged teenage girl whose allegations of abuse led to the raid and the removal of all sect children. <BR/></I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7763115096464353562008-05-21T19:20:00.000-05:002008-05-21T19:20:00.000-05:00As I understood it, FLDS disallowed CPS to enter t...As I understood it, FLDS disallowed CPS to enter the ranch without a warrant, but did allow media to come in and go anywhere they asked. The media obviously didn't go everywhere, but weren't blocked from going where they indicated they wanted to.<BR/><BR/>If'in I were a member of FLDS, I would have most likely done the same, and not allowed any CPS on the premesis, with or without a warrant. Law enforcement could come on with a warrant, but CPS is not law enforcement by any stretch of the imagination.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that CPS was hoping to get more than access to hidden children. They most likely needed to gather additional evidence, or were trying to confirm something that one of them remembered seeing the first time there. Basically a fishing expedition with no real hope of success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-59201434242868988392008-05-21T18:43:00.000-05:002008-05-21T18:43:00.000-05:00All the reporting went South for the day. The las...All the reporting went South for the day. The last Live Report was 12:16 p.m.<BR/><BR/>Did they take the media into custody also, or did ALL of them get stopped in route to / from the ranch?kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-41561412003809653022008-05-21T18:38:00.000-05:002008-05-21T18:38:00.000-05:00DoranBecause, CPS will probably now get a search w...Doran<BR/><BR/><I>Because, CPS will probably now get a search warrant and many more law enforcement to assist them.</I><BR/><BR/>The CPS had easy access to get a search warrant BEFORE they went out there.<BR/><BR/>All they need is an unconfirmed anonymous tip from an unknown informant!<BR/><BR/>I believe they brought the press along for the dog & pony show, and they could have added dramatic scenes to that showing if they'd have been allowed in.<BR/><BR/>I can't imagine how to improve the image children there would produce.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7059062036328522022008-05-21T18:30:00.000-05:002008-05-21T18:30:00.000-05:00If I were instructing CPS in this matter (Oh! What...If I were instructing CPS in this matter (Oh! What a delicious thought!) I would certainly prohibit them from making additional prat-falls such as taking adult women. They have suffered a good deal of deservedly bad press for doing that previously.<BR/><BR/>I would also instruct them to send a couple of workers to the Ranch and ask to search, knowing there is a 95% chance that they will not be allowed to, thereby giving the media and the credulous idiots who believe what CNN says, grounds to assume they are hiding more children.<BR/><BR/>At this point, CPS has a better PR and Media advisor than does FDLS. I hope FDLS corrects that imbalance soon.<BR/><BR/>If there is a search pursuant to a warrant, it will probably happen after dark today and before dawn tomorrow, to hide the carnage from media cameras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13266208119630953782008-05-21T18:21:00.000-05:002008-05-21T18:21:00.000-05:00Ahh, but you forget that CPS held some women who a...Ahh, but you forget that CPS held some women who are over 20 years old as minors. Who is to say that if CPS was allowed in, they wouldn't grab some more adult women who look young and declare them as disputed minors?<BR/>If CPS doesn't have a search warrant, why allow it on the property?<BR/>And why didn't CPS got a search warrant before showing up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-68012547861059873732008-05-21T18:17:00.000-05:002008-05-21T18:17:00.000-05:00I fully understand and am sympathetic to the attit...I fully understand and am sympathetic to the attitude of the FLDS about law enforcement and CPS searching the Ranch again. But I'm a bit dubious about the way that they handled today's request by CPS to search.<BR/><BR/>If there are no children there, then it would have been a great PR coup to have allowed CPS to make a limited search. That is, tell the CPS people that they must describe with particularity the place they want to search, and limit them to that place. Tell them that they are allowing CPS in for that limited purpose. Give CPS a trespass warning in the presence of law enforcement: If CPS goes to any place other than the place they specified, they will be instructed to leave immediately, and if they don't they will be trespassing and subject to arrest. FLDS could have made a much better show of being in control of the property this way, than by seeming to be hiding children and demanding a search warrant.<BR/><BR/>Because, CPS will probably now get a search warrant and many more law enforcement to assist them. If there are kids there, and if they are found, then FLDS looks bad to the public. If there are no kids there, CPS will have grabbed the media spotlight anyway, and can complain that the kids are being hidden away in tunnels or caves, or some such nonsense.<BR/><BR/>I hope FLDS at Eldorado understands in detail how important good media is to them. What will eventually draw them out of the State's grasp is public opinion, as the judiciary has already failed them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23034151779985995582008-05-21T17:34:00.000-05:002008-05-21T17:34:00.000-05:00Anonymous 4:58Here are the Family Codes if you nee...Anonymous 4:58<BR/><BR/>Here are the <A HREF="http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/fa.toc.htm" REL="nofollow">Family Codes</A> if you need specific information.kbphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814695387546108048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65129768768338381892008-05-21T17:32:00.000-05:002008-05-21T17:32:00.000-05:005:24, exactly and that's wrong, they should add an...5:24, exactly and that's wrong, they should add another hearing around a months time or something that's a fact-finding hearing, before the service plan, that basically says here's what happened, is it enough to keep the kids?Pinkycatcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01364196090276576278noreply@blogger.com