tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post7091459148911728827..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Don't believe the headlines on the Harvard study purporting to show racial bias does not exist in police shootingsGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-190091833501432016-07-29T15:17:16.754-05:002016-07-29T15:17:16.754-05:00Main issue with the study is it does not support y...Main issue with the study is it does not support your position and so you look for ways to berate the study.<br /><br />The main issue is blacks are more likely to be confrontational with [police than any other race which leads tot he shootings.<br /><br />90% of all shooting have the person who was shot either being combatant or refusing to follow directions given by the officer.Ncrdbl1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03882754351454794192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-21192082981102933582016-07-26T14:40:20.179-05:002016-07-26T14:40:20.179-05:00What to believe? A study from right wing extremis...What to believe? A study from right wing extremist law enforcement biased institution like Harvard? Or the unbiased opinion a self-avowed cop hating radical like Scott Henson? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71688304366830453842016-07-16T16:46:50.621-05:002016-07-16T16:46:50.621-05:00I agree with everything John said. Wake up and see...I agree with everything John said. Wake up and see the injustice. One day one of your loved ones will be killed by a crooked afraid policeman, then you will know what people of color fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55600423821419369412016-07-16T14:39:37.407-05:002016-07-16T14:39:37.407-05:00Ah, Harvard has way more credibility than you. Th...Ah, Harvard has way more credibility than you. That is a certainty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-59362966430860928932016-07-16T02:30:45.719-05:002016-07-16T02:30:45.719-05:00One man's "good" shoot is another ma...One man's "good" shoot is another man's "bad" shoot, depending on which side of the bullet or argument you are on. I have friends that believe any officer shooting "first" is a coward and needs to be prosecuted, no exceptions. Other friends believe people refusing to obey an officer's orders or committing a felony "get what they deserve", neither belief a rarity these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51861173318849445692016-07-15T17:40:14.459-05:002016-07-15T17:40:14.459-05:00Race-baiting still gets lead “news” feed, yet it&#... Race-baiting still gets lead “news” feed, yet it's total us-against-them bias, to protect their union jobs & brotherhood of COPS WAR ON AMERICA. <br />The only thing saving us a little is cameras, STILL the COPS ARE ALWAYS LET OFF.<br />They can kill you, go on paid administrative leave--while the union & courts cover it up; BUT IF YOU FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE, THEY CAN KILL YOU EVEN FASTER, ESCALATING. For years, cop shows & movies have guaranteed you better fear the cops will come after you, bias is an understatement. Best guess, duress! <br /> Those oft-blamed "few bad apples" have long been in charge, becoming legion. Legislators/politicians/judges/lawyers/BarCards have piled it on, as THEY fear for their crooked lives and need the cops as personal protection---thus, they offer cops more money, weapons, freedom to kill us, protection, etc. THE UNION BECAME A BROTHERHOOD AGAINST WE THE POOR PEOPLE.<br /> As Queen Latifah just pointed out, on CBS (her family IS cops), <b>UNTIL ACCOUNTABILITY COMES FROM THE TOP DOWN,</b> things can't get better. <br /> Yet, what group polices their own? Luckily for them, NRA and such groups are money-sucking cowards (wait—sounds like Congressjacks!), and no one will ever do anything, rote-conditioned to acquiesce & submit to tyranny & its willing henchmen.<br /> (How about a column on the U.N. being okayed, against citizens?)<br /> The only thing less indicted than COPS, is <i>The WHillary of Babylon The Great.</i> As president, she will make it all worse, and we bet our lives.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808884177035705472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62855703445098847242016-07-15T17:18:28.126-05:002016-07-15T17:18:28.126-05:00Nearly every shooting, good or bad, is presented t...Nearly every shooting, good or bad, is presented to a local grand jury. Additionally, the Feds have the option of investigating the shooting. So if neither the Feds nor the local grand jury opt to not charge, case closed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-4646660080377253982016-07-15T11:37:32.916-05:002016-07-15T11:37:32.916-05:00Thank you again, Grits, for your typically insight...Thank you again, Grits, for your typically insightful analysis in looking behind the headlines. Many of us (myself included) are either too busy or too lazy to take the time to do so, and may have otherwise drawn some incorrect conclusions from this study.John Gioffredi, Dallas Lawyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-29519603807440721792016-07-15T07:54:15.889-05:002016-07-15T07:54:15.889-05:00Grits, yes, on your last comment, indeed, Let'...Grits, yes, on your last comment, indeed, Let's assume Fryer is at least halfway right on actual shootings, and that, rather than rational actors, police are Skinner's rats unconsciously internalizing fear of punishment. How do we get police more accountable, through a mix of fear of punishment, better psychological training in general, and learning from things like Project implicit, on use of sublethal force?<br /><br />http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2016/07/black-arrestees-shot.html<br /><br />5:40, no, many bad shootings are still no-billled. Per the old joke, not only can prosecutors get grand juries to indict ham sandwiches, they can get them to NOT indict bad-actor cops. Fortunately, we have the second track of the civil system to partially remedy that.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-83853924879994355762016-07-15T06:30:32.186-05:002016-07-15T06:30:32.186-05:00@7:19, that final comment of yours is flat-out pre...@7:19, that final comment of yours is flat-out preposterous. "generally are prosecuted"? Just not true.<br /><br />@Gadfly, that's correct re: behavioral statistics, but new, and a reaction/correction to the real flaws Amanda describes in the mainstream of the field.<br /><br />@5:40, I realize you think that's clever, but the study under discussion performed regression across literally hundreds of variables searching for patterns. Just because you don't understand math beyond Algebra I doesn't mean those constraints should limit discussion among better-educated folk.<br /><br />BTW, see other important critiques of this study <a href="http://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12149468/racism-police-shootings-data" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://scatter.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/yes-there-is-racial-bias-in-police-shootings/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. The portion based on the Houston material IMO is most dubious. But it also included important findings related to lower-level use of force that remain undisturbed by either Amanda's critique or the others.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71101683405155723642016-07-15T05:40:33.423-05:002016-07-15T05:40:33.423-05:00And on a related note, in the NBA referees are sta...And on a related note, in the NBA referees are statistically more likely to call fouls on black athletes. Hence all NBA referees are biased. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3103539759493320022016-07-14T22:52:17.069-05:002016-07-14T22:52:17.069-05:00Another note: By no means do all modern economists...Another note: By no means do all modern economists work from a rational actor basis. suggest Dan Ariely for a good intro to behavioral economics.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-30116155196111226102016-07-14T22:46:50.684-05:002016-07-14T22:46:50.684-05:00On the male/female issue, men are, on average, mor...On the male/female issue, men are, on average, more violent. So, the difference between arrest and shooting pools, by sex, doesn't strike me as a big concern.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23869906396946384412016-07-14T19:19:53.884-05:002016-07-14T19:19:53.884-05:00Compliance with both law and when in contact with ...Compliance with both law and when in contact with a law enforcement officer, judge, teacher, prison guard, (recommendations from a Doctor), construction worker, boat captain, TSA personnel, etc can be worthwhile and even save one's life.<br /><br />I suspect more people die in a 24hr period in the US because of bad/faulty medical decisions than by bad LE shooting in an entire year. Doctors, attorneys, and law enforcement officers can be considered practitioners in their respective fields.<br /><br />Bad law enforcement shootings do occur, but those are by far the exception and generally are prosecuted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com