tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post7624183766075157696..comments2024-03-15T05:45:01.402-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: 'School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America'Gritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-32557519522337262832013-01-02T22:17:02.840-06:002013-01-02T22:17:02.840-06:00If you leave your car unlocked or leave the keys i...If you leave your car unlocked or leave the keys in it and it is stolen and gets into a wreck, your insurance won't cover the damage but you can be held personally liable for the damage because you were negligent and made it easy to steal your car. Same should apply to guns. If you don't have them in a safe, then you are making them easy to steal, and you should be held liable for the damage caused by your negligence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-70961472202793111312013-01-02T18:56:27.722-06:002013-01-02T18:56:27.722-06:0012/31 0838 stated: Agreed. The way to take care of...12/31 0838 stated: Agreed. The way to take care of this is to require legal gun owners to be responsible. This includes being responsible in keeping their guns from being stolen. The way to do this is to make gun-owners financially responsible for all harm done with their firearms after they are stolen. If you let your gun be stolen and it is then used to kill a child, then you as the gun-owner who let your gun be stolen will be civilly liable for the damage that was done due to your negligent behavior. <br /><br />I completely disagree. If I have my gun securely locked up and my home is broken into and some thug steals my gun and commits a crime with it, you want to hold me accountable? That's BS! That would be like me stealing your car and killing someone one in it and but because it was registered to you, you get to take the financial heat for it. THat's messed up! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19362743408700264082013-01-01T07:10:45.903-06:002013-01-01T07:10:45.903-06:00I like the civil liability idea. To 12:41, there a...I like the civil liability idea. To 12:41, there are already laws against criminals using guns, but they're not buying them at Walmart. Making gun owners responsible for keeping their weapons secure would be a belt-and-suspenders approach. Don't you think Adam Lanza's mother and the other CT victims might have benefited from that type of extra incentive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69786653017492290682013-01-01T00:41:29.687-06:002013-01-01T00:41:29.687-06:00"This includes [gun owners] being responsible..."This includes [gun owners] being responsible in keeping their guns from being stolen."<br /><br />Well then, we need to be a better job of dealing with criminals, rather than penalizing law-abiding gun owners.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44087121786447739612012-12-31T08:38:10.561-06:002012-12-31T08:38:10.561-06:0011:56 said -
"How can we ignore 54% of the n...11:56 said -<br /><br />"How can we ignore 54% of the nation’s homicides perpetrated by a relatively small group of citizens primarily with stolen firearms? "<br /><br />Agreed. The way to take care of this is to require legal gun owners to be responsible. This includes being responsible in keeping their guns from being stolen. The way to do this is to make gun-owners financially responsible for all harm done with their firearms after they are stolen. If you let your gun be stolen and it is then used to kill a child, then you as the gun-owner who let your gun be stolen will be civilly liable for the damage that was done due to your negligent behavior. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-70581010254485124972012-12-31T06:10:57.249-06:002012-12-31T06:10:57.249-06:00Following the logic of 11:56 -
There were 9,878 d...Following the logic of 11:56 -<br /><br />There were 9,878 deaths attributed to drunk driving in 2011. FBI crime statistics indicate that whites accounted for 85.3% of DUI arrests in 2011. Therefore, targeting white drivers for random sobriety tests is "a simple solution that would put a big dent in our nation's" alcohol-related traffic fatalities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65705267331733890912012-12-30T23:56:20.089-06:002012-12-30T23:56:20.089-06:00According to a most recent FBI crime statistic 54%...According to a most recent FBI crime statistic 54% of our nation’s homicides by gun violence occur in blacks ages 1 to 34. Chicago boast 318 children shot in 2012. Also according to the stats the majority of the guns used in these homicides were not purchased legally. How will restricting the liberties of the second amendment reduce this awful fact of American life? How can we ignore 54% of the nation’s homicides perpetrated by a relatively small group of citizens primarily with stolen firearms? Perhaps if our politicians and media are truly serious about stopping gun violence we could take pointers from Europe. A simple solution that would put a big dent in our nation’s gun violence would be to profile blacks for search and gun seizure, especially in places like Chicago. Since gun control policy seems to have little effect on this small group of citizens who are responsible for over half of our nation’s gun violence a targeted effort would go a long way to chip away at a very sad American statistic. Then again I may be naïve, caring about a small group of citizens who obviously don’t care about themselves. I think its Jim Crow racist thinking to deflect this fact, to let it go as something black people do, a cultural norm that we as a government at a tremendous burden on national resources perpetuate in the form of a pathetic existence of wallowing in the chains of entitlement. However, I know in our times that pointing out such a fact of American life will be deflected with name calling and race baiting. Typical are the responses when questioning the misplaced priorities of our current federal government and media in the face of such facts like 54% of American gun violence is perpetrated by black Americans in many cases over iPods, hoodies and sneakers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-60079921764468954892012-12-30T10:25:41.318-06:002012-12-30T10:25:41.318-06:00It's the attitude being expressed here, that t...It's the attitude being expressed here, that the civil insurrection if not outright civil war is the root of interest in assault weapons, that causes middle of the road folks to associate "nut-jobs" with assault weapon owners in general. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61722489090515342862012-12-30T10:06:07.922-06:002012-12-30T10:06:07.922-06:009:34 said- "So the need is to subvert democra...9:34 said- "So the need is to subvert democracy. Sounds good to me.."<br /><br />Substitute tyranny in place of democracy and you'll be on point...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64442237229081133142012-12-30T10:01:24.224-06:002012-12-30T10:01:24.224-06:0012/30/2012 09:34:00 AM said:
"So the need is...12/30/2012 09:34:00 AM said:<br /><br />"So the need is to subvert democracy. Sounds good to me.."<br /><br />You bet. Democracy equates to mob rule, where the govt can also easily turn into the out of control mob. That's why we don't live in a democracy, and the founders set it up that way. We live in a representative republic. The constitution was meant to limit governmental power, and not the power of the people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81841937752776473242012-12-30T09:34:10.612-06:002012-12-30T09:34:10.612-06:008:45 said- "Gun control nuts always try to sh...8:45 said- "Gun control nuts always try to shift the argument to "need." It's not about "need." It never was. It's all about being able to limit the powers of govt by extreme means."<br /><br />So the need is to subvert democracy. Sounds good to me..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2730225574716591882012-12-30T08:45:34.702-06:002012-12-30T08:45:34.702-06:00Anonymous 12/28/2012 11:28:00 AM said:
"Anyo...Anonymous 12/28/2012 11:28:00 AM said:<br /><br />"Anyone who has any common sense and hunts and has children/grandchildren knows there is no reason to own such a high powered "rifle" let alone having hollow points which cause the most damage to whatever or whoever is hit."<br /><br />Gun control nuts always try to shift the argument to "need." It's not about "need." It never was. It's all about being able to limit the powers of govt by extreme means.<br /><br /><br />"There is no mention of this guy ever being treated for a mental illness. The developmental disorder he had was asperger's syndrome, which is not an axis i diagnosed mental illness."<br /><br />One of the characteristics of Aspergers is poor social communication skills, and poor judgement. They don't have normal emotional responses. As such, the individual will fixate on a certain idea or concept, and wrongly believe it is the answer to a problem.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-82793765478217894542012-12-30T02:04:08.391-06:002012-12-30T02:04:08.391-06:00“I understand that the NRA has a new initiative ba...“I understand that the NRA has a new initiative based on this understanding. They will be giving an AR-15 to all felons released from prison. The ones who will eventually become killers would become killers anyway, so there's no harm done. The ones who won't become killers will be able to target practice and participate in organized sporting events, thereby benefiting the community. So there is no downside to the initiative.”<br /><br /><br />An obvious example of an appeal to ridicule.<br /><br />The Fishing PhysicistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-91273355728887627042012-12-30T01:51:53.569-06:002012-12-30T01:51:53.569-06:00”But the hollow points are much more effective at ...<i>”But the hollow points are much more effective at transferring energy to the target, especially when only soft tissue is struck. The 5.56 will transfer close to 100% of its kinetic energy to the target. The .30-.30 will often pass through, carrying much of its kinetic energy with it. Since "destructiveness" is in the eyes of the target, the 5.56 wins out, for sure.”</i><br /><br />If the rounds that the murder fired were loaded with hollow point bullets it is unlikely that those rounds were actual 5.56 NATO rounds, but rather .223 Remington rounds loaded as varmint rounds, unless they were handloads.<br /><br />In any case your statement was: “there is no reason to own <i>such a high powered "rifle"...</i> and then referencing the ammunition “...let alone having hollow points which cause the most damage to whatever or whoever is hit...”.<br /><br />Ergo, I was clearly addressing your assertion about “<i>such a high powered "rifle"...</i>” and not about the nature of the bullets that were fired from the "rifle". Thus, my original post still stands as your rebuttal failed to remain on point.<br /><br />The Fishing PhysicistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-49172593088699530502012-12-29T19:47:36.606-06:002012-12-29T19:47:36.606-06:0010/22 You're a twit. Grits I agree with all of...10/22 You're a twit. Grits I agree with all of your points and Ron Paul's. Legalizing drugs would lower homocides but I think it is still a bad idea. I don't see much separating dopers and entitlement junkies; in fact I think they are mutually conducive.RASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-41561066481253487492012-12-29T10:22:29.121-06:002012-12-29T10:22:29.121-06:00Marty said"Gun control will NOT stop killers ...Marty said"Gun control will NOT stop killers from killing."<br /><br />I understand that the NRA has a new initiative based on this understanding. They will be giving an AR-15 to all felons released from prison. The ones who will eventually become killers would become killers anyway, so there's no harm done. The ones who won't become killers will be able to target practice and participate in organized sporting events, thereby benefiting the community. So there is no downside to the initiative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8421885092231764222012-12-29T10:04:34.018-06:002012-12-29T10:04:34.018-06:009:53, anyone who suggests either one is remotely f...9:53, anyone who suggests either one is remotely feasible IMO is a fool, a charlatan, or both.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62052007879625075682012-12-29T10:01:35.666-06:002012-12-29T10:01:35.666-06:00Have you looked into the stories of 6yr olds in gr...Have you looked into the stories of 6yr olds in grade school being arrested by Cop's and taken itno court ? Why have more of this insanity by sociopathhic Police on bent on Control ? DUH.....<br /><br />jcfromnjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00046006120773866626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34693786788577349282012-12-29T09:53:05.449-06:002012-12-29T09:53:05.449-06:00It would be much easier to round up all the illega...It would be much easier to round up all the illegal aliens in Texas than it would be to round up all the guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65452095307694094222012-12-29T08:31:15.887-06:002012-12-29T08:31:15.887-06:00TFP said "So, by either of the two best metri...TFP said "So, by either of the two best metrics describing the destructiveness of a projectile the common .30-30 is more potent than the 5.56 NATO at very short ranges."<br /><br />But the hollow points are much more effective at transferring energy to the target, especially when only soft tissue is struck. The 5.56 will transfer close to 100% of its kinetic energy to the target. The .30-.30 will often pass through, carrying much of its kinetic energy with it. Since "destructiveness" is in the eyes of the target, the 5.56 wins out, for sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62827543139478826012012-12-29T05:47:38.652-06:002012-12-29T05:47:38.652-06:00“Clearly, 1,796 J > 2,580 J, and 3.83 kg*m/s &g...“Clearly, 1,796 J > 2,580 J, and 3.83 kg*m/s > 7.30 kg*m/s.”<br /><br />CORRECTION:<br /><br />That should have been:<br /><br />1,796 J < 2,580 J, and 3.83 kg*m/s < 7.30 kg*m/s.<br /><br />Please excuse the typos.<br /><br />The Fishing Physicist<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37054515408347272542012-12-29T05:44:13.278-06:002012-12-29T05:44:13.278-06:00“Anyone who has any common sense and hunts and has...“Anyone who has any common sense and hunts and has children/grandchildren knows there is no reason to own such a high powered "rifle" let alone having hollow points which cause the most damage to whatever or whoever is hit.”<br /><br />RESPONSE:<br /><br />In the world of physics ‘power’ is defined as the time rate of change in an energy state and is a poor metric for describing the level of destructiveness of a ballistic projectile. The two metrics that best describe how destructive a ballistic projectile is are momentum, and kinetic energy. In terms of kinetic energy the 5.56x45 NATO cartridge is nominally less destructive than the traditional .30-30 Winchester cartridge that has long been a standard for deer hunting. <br /><br />The 4.1 g DM11 FMJBT load in the 5.56 NATO cartridge has a muzzle velocity of 936 m/s yielding a muzzle energy of 1,796 J. The muzzle moment being 3.83 kg*m/s. <br /><br />A standard 10 g (150 grain) FN bullet loaded in a .30-30 cartridge will have a muzzle velocity of 730 m/s yielding a muzzle energy of 2,580 J. The muzzle moment being 7.30 kg*m/s. <br /><br />Clearly, 1,796 J > 2,580 J, and 3.83 kg*m/s > 7.30 kg*m/s. Further, the muzzle energy of the .30-30 is 7.30 times that of the 5.56 NATO, and the muzzle momentum of the .30-30 is 1.90 times that of the 5.56 NATO.<br /><br />So, by either of the two best metrics describing the destructiveness of a projectile the common .30-30 is more potent than the 5.56 NATO at very short ranges.<br /><br />The Fishing PhysicistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-72599444146282391872012-12-28T13:44:21.041-06:002012-12-28T13:44:21.041-06:00There have been some shootings at private schools/...There have been some shootings at private schools/universities: the Amish girls in Pennsylvania, the shooting at an Episcopal school in Jacksonville, the shootings at Oikos University in Oakland. The numbers are less, but the per capita rates would be more to the point. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61453740352368224262012-12-28T12:41:29.159-06:002012-12-28T12:41:29.159-06:00Anyone got any stats on the number of shootings at...Anyone got any stats on the number of shootings at public schools versus private schools?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-24074400801193133952012-12-28T12:13:09.821-06:002012-12-28T12:13:09.821-06:00Is the arming of of school personnel in Texas a lo...Is the arming of of school personnel in Texas a local rights issue and not the business of the federal government? <br /><br />Spare me the arguement it's a federal issue if the school accepts federal funding.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com