tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post8275735631719751469..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: The politicization of grief at Dallas PDGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69283686024586764702010-07-02T20:10:11.226-05:002010-07-02T20:10:11.226-05:00Such a joke to blame LPD for this. They couldn'...Such a joke to blame LPD for this. They couldn't know he was going to kill.PirateFriedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14490889950268741305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-42916014942000153842010-06-30T22:17:57.218-05:002010-06-30T22:17:57.218-05:006:44 that could happin. I think his girlfriend is ...6:44 that could happin. I think his girlfriend is white.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-15908701013806750582010-06-30T22:16:26.606-05:002010-06-30T22:16:26.606-05:00Fox 4 News just reported alcohol, PCP, and Marijua...Fox 4 News just reported alcohol, PCP, and Marijuana in juniors system. The cop kid having his social problems glossed over to ovoid criminal prosecution. Not like we haven’t seen that before. LPD is the blame for those deaths, no doubt they should have done their job. To bad he was a cops kids and was black. He would have went to jail in that racist town. That officer would still be alive and so would the other two victims of LPD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-10649438667188052712010-06-30T19:09:20.407-05:002010-06-30T19:09:20.407-05:00Nobody said the guy was great. They just said usin...Nobody said the guy was great. They just said using it for political gain was despicable. You two dumbasses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-26600174096754821532010-06-30T18:44:17.456-05:002010-06-30T18:44:17.456-05:0004:56 poster, they like the mentailly ill argument...04:56 poster, they like the mentailly ill argument better. Pointing out the truth just isn't liberal enough these days. Next we'll hear some fantasy about Junior being forced to ingest PCP by his abusive girlfriend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-58301771397763125672010-06-30T16:56:08.822-05:002010-06-30T16:56:08.822-05:00Just came in the news today. This POS was a dope h...Just came in the news today. This POS was a dope head and had PCP with marijuana in his system. Just like I said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-86599598958128754232010-06-29T22:59:17.740-05:002010-06-29T22:59:17.740-05:00"Well, he was agitated, sweaty like a pig, ta..."Well, he was agitated, sweaty like a pig, talking about Jesus and the bible. Every police that had deal with people on PCP know this are the symptoms of somebody usin marijuana along with PCP and he loved that weed"<br /><br />Any police who try to make a diagnosis in this way need to pull their head out of their ass and get some mental health training, because a lot of the people they deal with will have mental health problems, and many of them exhibit these exact signs. By the way, a single marijuana issue 7 years ago does not support any finding that he "loved that weed." That is a typical example of how some fail to view the current situation because they can't get out of the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-71662450682803952122010-06-29T21:24:00.535-05:002010-06-29T21:24:00.535-05:00In Dallas on a domestic disturbance call someone i...In Dallas on a domestic disturbance call someone is required to go to jail. This is a policy I heard recited to a nice young white man down the street by a black Dallas popo after his girlfriend beat him up. By the time this popo actually showed up they had just finished with makeup sex, and all was well. None the less the guy volunteered to go to jail and I went and dealt with the morons to get him out.Cops cover for cops, had the Lancaster Police Department done their job, forget the line of political crap they are giving to cover the blue vial, this incident would have never happened. The LPD who responded to the scene that Fathers Day morning are the most responsible for the murder of their fellow Lancaster Police officer, a civilian, and a mentally ill man with an obvious drug problem who happens to be the Dallas Police Chief’s son. These officers, playing their little cover up for a fellow cop game robbed children of their dads on Father’s Day. Who knows what the effects of this will be on these kids because of those popo’s failure to do their job without favoritism.All that the police unions are doing with their little outrage bs is deflecting the responsibility to their nemesis whose only crime was an act of kindness to his Chief. This little show by the popo unions is nothing more than a cover for the LPD whose FAILURE to do their jobs cost the lives of 3 people. It’s sad because it appears that Lancaster lost a good man. You People in the DPD unions are just wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2340925295028763842010-06-29T21:18:19.488-05:002010-06-29T21:18:19.488-05:00Mayby the Lancaster PD is such a podunk town they ...Mayby the Lancaster PD is such a podunk town they dont have any drug problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3407050960319403552010-06-29T18:14:50.487-05:002010-06-29T18:14:50.487-05:00Well, he was agitated, sweaty like a pig, talking ...Well, he was agitated, sweaty like a pig, talking about Jesus and the bible. Every police that had deal with people on PCP know this are the symptoms of somebody usin marijuana along with PCP and he loved that weedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-39687042487396895512010-06-29T15:51:49.331-05:002010-06-29T15:51:49.331-05:00There should not even have been a procession? The...There should not even have been a procession? The family should have been ashamed of their son? <br /><br />Spoken like someone never fit to parent a child. I don't care what a child does, it does not take away the rights of his parents to mourn his death, or the rights of their friends, colleagues, and associates to share in their grief and offer support. Get a clue.<br /><br />As for the "PCP" allegation against the original assertions that Brown had a mental illness, I'd have to see an investigation on that score. Seems to me people love to start rumors of drugs to take away any possible sympathy that could be associated with mental illness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-59442888975027194782010-06-29T15:43:18.465-05:002010-06-29T15:43:18.465-05:00Can we just call bullshit bullshit and leave it al...Can we just call bullshit bullshit and leave it alone? I grew up in a police family, and I understand why officers want to reserve this parade of police cars as one special thing reserved to them. The issue here has nothing to do with a citizen being escorted by the police- in fact, I've seen police do countless escorts for family of active police officers. Those who try to claim that they have never known of a police escort for the son or daughter of an current police officer are either stupid or lying. The issue is that a man went over the edge, took two other good people with him, and officers feel that the escort in someway honored him instead of honoring his father.<br /><br />I've seen police escorts, and no, not the private escorts but actual on duty marked police escorts, for everything from large pipes to buildings to parades. I've seen them used to escort celebrities that bash and hate police, and I've seen them used to escort officers who died on duty under far less than admirable circumstances. The fact is, the police department is really not meant to be a PR machine. In many of these situations, they were doing their job-- keeping the roadways safe, keeping them moving, and preventing violence or disturbance of the peace.<br /><br />To be honest, I'm sick of this story. I don't know if I agree with the deputy chief's decision or reasoning, but I can see why he did it, and it is not a reason to be fired. I think we will continue to hear some demands for resignations of both men, but I know those for the chief's head are diminishing, as they should, and I hope to police unions stop being the bunch of spoiled children they have become and get on to doing their jobs-- taking care of officers and helping watch their backs.<br /><br />Anything else is pointless, it's political, and it's likely spite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-341898702242043342010-06-29T13:59:51.912-05:002010-06-29T13:59:51.912-05:00The fact of the matter is, escorts are prohibited ...The fact of the matter is, escorts are prohibited except for dignitaries, officers killed in the line of duty, etc... The average person cannot get police assistance during a funeral procession in Dallas. Now, a murderer has been given that honor because the family and DPD chiefs didn't want to wait in traffic.<br />There shouldn't have even been a procession to begin with. The family should have been ashamed of their son and had a private funeral, if anything at all. There is a funeral home near where he was buried, and the whole thing should have been for immediate family only. <br />The fact that so many chiefs attended, when they should have been at the funeral of Senior Corporal Adamson, is unforgivable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51330727961299768202010-06-29T13:11:34.255-05:002010-06-29T13:11:34.255-05:00Mentally ill my A$$. Chief Brown's son was on ...Mentally ill my A$$. Chief Brown's son was on PCP. Thas why he got buck naked in the swiming pool and was acting crazyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23938674076815120962010-06-29T12:59:39.816-05:002010-06-29T12:59:39.816-05:00Grits -
The only problem with the whole "Th...Grits - <br /><br />The only problem with the whole "There was an accident" argument, is that nobody can find an accident call on that stretch of road during the hours of the escort. You can get a hold of the DPD via open records request and verify that information yourself. <br /><br />There are accidents on 75 everyday, and as an officer that responds to those calls, let me re-assure you that if there were an accident, there would be numerous calls to 911 so that officers could be dispatched to the location in order for us to go take care of it.<br /><br />The "accident" was just a lame excuse used by an extremely arrogant man (Bernal) to cover his butt. As for Cato, why did it take him 3 days to come out and take responsibility for actually being the person that gave Bernal the go ahead to make the call? <br /><br />If he were truly a man of honor, he would have taken responsibility on Friday and not let a subordinate take the heat for a few days while he enjoyed his weekend.popo the 5-ohnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3623259237710659572010-06-29T12:13:29.150-05:002010-06-29T12:13:29.150-05:00FAN OF BROWNS, THE THE SAME ONE WHO HAD HIMSELF DE...FAN OF BROWNS, THE THE SAME ONE WHO HAD HIMSELF DESIGNATED A "DIGNITARY" AND HAD HIS ON ESCORT , EVEN THOUGHT HE WAS TOLD NOT TO BY CITY ADMINISTRATOR.. HE THINKS OF HIMSELF AS ABOVE ALLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-29326997053084335012010-06-29T11:52:26.230-05:002010-06-29T11:52:26.230-05:00Yea they (Bernal and Cato) made judgement calls, i...Yea they (Bernal and Cato) made judgement calls, it was the wrong call. In the past I've worked for escort companies (usualy security companies that make deals with funeral homes) and have done escorts myself. When 2 private escorts aren't enough, the funeral director with the procession will pull it over and call for more escorts. NEVER did any funeral director call the cops.<br /><br />"If this was any other cop in any other circumstance you'd be defending them to the hilt, grasping at any public safety straw was offered to justify whatever they did."<br /><br />I've posted her a handful of times , how is it you think you know me so well? I think you might have me confused for someone else sir.<br /><br />Each "judgement call" should be judged on it's own merits. Bernal and Cato made a terribly bad one by pulling escorts AWAY from Ofc. Shaws funeral to go help with the procession of the man who killed him AND an innocent citizen. Had the deceased not been the son of a Chief, that would have never happened.<br /><br />If Bernal and Cato had any sense of honor, they would resign. I've got nothing against Dallas PD or these men personally (I'm a fan of Chief Brown also), but their (Cato and Bernal's) actions were simply dishonorable. A man died serving his community and another innocent father died that day too, those are the ones who get the public escort, not their murderer.College Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-59568498747795787742010-06-29T11:52:04.422-05:002010-06-29T11:52:04.422-05:00Scott Hensen...You are something special, your wri...Scott Hensen...You are something special, your writing, is to say the least, The most an-ti police and bullcrap i've ever read. There are 3500 hard working DPD OFFICERS, and you take the heart right out of them. The chief's son killed a POLICE OFFICER. Get a clue, this is not something you politicize. It's something NORMAL human would abhor.. We know which side of fence your on. The side where neighbor has a big ol dog and shits right where you put your foot. You are garbage.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-84233992123442815132010-06-29T08:48:24.621-05:002010-06-29T08:48:24.621-05:00"Mumbo jumbo," College Cop? Bernal named..."Mumbo jumbo," College Cop? Bernal named several specific circumstances that arose - a larger than expected group of vehicles, rain, an accident in their path. If this was any other cop in any other circumstance you'd be defending them to the hilt, grasping at any public safety straw was offered to justify whatever they did. It was a judgment call that was his, not yours, to make. Let it go. Nobody's intentionally disrespecting the dead officer and no good can come from carping over things that cannot be changed.<br /><br />As for 47 years ago, you're suggesting distinctions without a difference. Why is there no lingering animosity by DPD for Fort Worth police escorting Oswald's funeral? These complaints IMO are pure opportunism of a particularly low-class sort.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-72327357378591082602010-06-29T08:26:40.458-05:002010-06-29T08:26:40.458-05:00Oh, found Bernal's direct quote from the DMN a...Oh, found Bernal's direct quote from the DMN article:<br /><br />"I did it out of respect for my chief and for a family who had lost somebody."College Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-38582841721676303972010-06-29T08:15:42.084-05:002010-06-29T08:15:42.084-05:00"College Cop, in what way was it "a tota..."College Cop, in what way was it "a totally different thing, 47 years ago"? What's changed? Were their values and attitudes toward human life so different from ours, and if so why are today's superior? I don't think it's different at all except that 47 years ago the tragedy was so great nobody had the gall to attempt to use the situation for their own mean political purposes. That hasn't been true in this episode."<br /><br />It's not just LE that changed in 47 years, the whole society has. <br /><br /> Check the links I provided. They had to round up last minute volunteers (all reporters) to be pall bearers for Oswald. They had trouble finding a priest who would officiate, the FBI was only there because they immediately sequestered his wife after the funeral.<br /><br />Nowadays even the most vicious killers have better funerals than that. <br /><br />All of which is moot, lots of things change in a half century. Today it is just plain wrong to use cops (and taxpayers money) that way. Today we resever such treatment to people who give to society rather than unjustly take.<br /><br />Brown Jr. had a private escort service and that was enough. The Deputy Chief who ordered this disgrace said in a Dallas News article that he did it to show support for Chief Brown (after all the mumbo jumbo about "public safety").College Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36018767096279712582010-06-29T01:46:16.731-05:002010-06-29T01:46:16.731-05:00Cops are a sour lot who are always bitching about ...Cops are a sour lot who are always bitching about something. Granted, they have a decent beef here. This is typical of Dallas though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-11761459810617265912010-06-28T19:36:40.662-05:002010-06-28T19:36:40.662-05:00I agree, it is a tragedy and all deserve the time ...I agree, it is a tragedy and all deserve the time to grieve.<br />I also understand it's a tragedy when a cop is killed in the line of duty, but there seems to be a vigilante, holier than thou, spirit here. Didn't I just read about some cops who brutally beat up a suspect? This is not so unusual from what I gather.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65389563042304314612010-06-28T16:39:38.002-05:002010-06-28T16:39:38.002-05:00College Cop, in what way was it "a totally di...College Cop, in what way was it "a totally different thing, 47 years ago"? What's changed? Were their values and attitudes toward human life so different from ours, and if so why are today's superior? I don't think it's different at all except that 47 years ago the tragedy was so great nobody had the gall to attempt to use the situation for their own mean political purposes. That hasn't been true in this episode.<br /><br />As for the unions changing their tunes, at the time I wrote this police officers were planning a protest for this morning (which I considered in completely poor taste) that <a href="http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/062810-police-protest-over-procession-on-hold" rel="nofollow">thankfully fizzled</a> when somebody came to their senses. But the comment sections of the Dallas News stories contain quite a few self-identified police officers calling for Brown's resignation. And those expressing "outrage" at the funeral procession are just throwing gasoline on the fire.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-86449824352272925052010-06-28T14:10:35.798-05:002010-06-28T14:10:35.798-05:00I don't care for le culture as a rule, and pol...I don't care for le culture as a rule, and police unions are up there with the Chi-town mob in my book, but for christ's sake leave this poor guy alone. He lost a son in the most horrible (to a cop) way possible, who gives a fuck if he violated one of your cultish little rituals? How 'bout you practice what you so nauseatingly preach, and support your 'brother' during this stark and deeply terrible time? Using this tragedy for political gain is just so devoid of human decency that you guys need to rethink what kind of people you really are. There's nothing good about what you're doing here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com