tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post8766090774052368283..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Majority of Texas middle and high school students suspended or expelledGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53033154972054847152011-07-26T14:55:37.800-05:002011-07-26T14:55:37.800-05:00Alot of schools in New Mexico have the probation o...Alot of schools in New Mexico have the probation officers officed in the school. It is not a new concept. I think it would be a unique idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-24168602747723731492011-07-26T13:24:42.739-05:002011-07-26T13:24:42.739-05:00Whitmire refers to a program in Ft. Bend County th...Whitmire refers to a program in Ft. Bend County that has JPO's in the schools. It sounds like it works. Maybe a model program for the new commission?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76477023580631405532011-07-21T20:57:11.694-05:002011-07-21T20:57:11.694-05:00You cannot just blame the child for the mistake. I...You cannot just blame the child for the mistake. If the response of the school does nothing to change the behavior than other responses should be considered. It is not that difficult people. come on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1574906035439913812011-07-21T20:55:13.631-05:002011-07-21T20:55:13.631-05:00this is just further confirmation of a generation ...this is just further confirmation of a generation of research about the negative impact of separating youth with behavioral problems from the general population. it is what it is. There has to be more consideration put into the response of schools to behavioral problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-8653293021608507282011-07-21T19:27:49.693-05:002011-07-21T19:27:49.693-05:00The schools don't have programs that address t...The schools don't have programs that address the needs of special ed kids. They should first be identified and then programs should be developed for them. I hold the public schools responsible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-15754079758805209532011-07-20T20:11:34.750-05:002011-07-20T20:11:34.750-05:00Almost half of the population in TYC was special e...Almost half of the population in TYC was special ed. These are the ones that public school failed to identify or service. This is where I hold public school responsible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23910816968673854072011-07-20T13:39:43.382-05:002011-07-20T13:39:43.382-05:00I would second the comment from the juvenile proba...I would second the comment from the juvenile probation officer. When I was researching my book, I spoke with juvenile justice staff and officials about the boom in referrals in the 1990s. Always they immediately pointed to the emergence of zero tolerance in the schools as a major cause.<br /><br />The outcomes shown in the study are startling and have several causes. Pointing to individual failures of kids or parents may feel good but offers no real solution.<br /><br />I would suggest that this is an example of why "prevention" and "early intervention" could and should be a major focus for the new, community-based juvenile justice system set up in the last legislative session. <br /><br />Bill BushAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-38822624057976092362011-07-20T10:47:38.660-05:002011-07-20T10:47:38.660-05:00It is funny and odd that finally someone is bring ...It is funny and odd that finally someone is bring the schools to the table!<br /><br />Ive been waiting years to even see anyone at TEA show up be a part of any reform effort. <br /><br />With this they were drug into the spotlight....bet the Commish of TEA resigns before its over!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-54391221717019336202011-07-20T10:07:20.814-05:002011-07-20T10:07:20.814-05:00It is unfortunate that children who make mistakes ...It is unfortunate that children who make mistakes in the school environment . . . .<br /><br />Mistakes? It seems to be its their lifestyle. The gang culture can be dismissed as a "mistake"? <br /><br />To you, the problem is not the behavior, but the reaction to it. Looks like you love to blindfold yourself and say, "I SEE NOTHING!!!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48786173850141173922011-07-20T08:26:14.244-05:002011-07-20T08:26:14.244-05:00Juvenile Probation Officers have been saying this ...Juvenile Probation Officers have been saying this for years. Why does it take a sensationalized study to finally bring attention to the issue. We have been saying this for 20 years, even before ZERO TOLERANCE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81453952520186865412011-07-20T02:23:47.367-05:002011-07-20T02:23:47.367-05:00There are problems with school discipline. Some pr...There are problems with school discipline. Some problems are related to zero tolerance, others are related to how "in school suspensions" are handled and also how easy it is to be sent to alternative school for a minor offense. It is unfortunate that children who make mistakes in the school environment end up in the juvenile justice system when the problem could be handled by the school itself.Kenneth D. Frankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656525239011444644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-58792546692201202032011-07-20T01:02:03.543-05:002011-07-20T01:02:03.543-05:00This is society's equilibrium, the well social...This is society's equilibrium, the well socialized will tend to be separated from the antisocial. Don't we all want our kids to one day own a big house in Plano so they can be safe(er) from crime and incivility?PirateFriedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14490889950268741305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-797808267448230902011-07-19T23:52:56.144-05:002011-07-19T23:52:56.144-05:00Schools should return to teaching, and stop trying...Schools should return to teaching, and stop trying to modify social behavior, feed the masses, and give them medical care. What you are seeing is what you get when you offer to raise someone's kids for them. Don't make the offer. They will obviously take you up on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-38904269436716538372011-07-19T23:17:04.180-05:002011-07-19T23:17:04.180-05:009:23
How ironic that you tout small government at...9:23<br /><br />How ironic that you tout small government at the same time approving the expansion of school police departments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55349072206762185122011-07-19T23:14:28.652-05:002011-07-19T23:14:28.652-05:008:43
I am for law and order in schools. My point...8:43<br /><br />I am for law and order in schools. My point is the crime should fit the punishment. So I guess your okay for students to take up room in crowded jails for disrupting class?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44145849689884287322011-07-19T21:23:09.219-05:002011-07-19T21:23:09.219-05:00....of course, blame the education system and poli.......of course, blame the education system and police for trying to uphold a standard of accountability and norms. Liberals, big on government providing entitlements and handouts but shallow on government providing accountabilityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-46584034178598619062011-07-19T20:43:54.056-05:002011-07-19T20:43:54.056-05:008:14
"Most people do not care about what happ...8:14<br />"Most people do not care about what happens to these children since most come from low social economic status ...."<br /><br />Really? How many fathers of these children have even bothered to drop by and meet their own children? Many of them show no concern. Lets blame the teachers who are doing their best. Lets blame anyone who wants to establish even a minimal level of classroom order.<br /><br />"I am excited this study was completed to bring awareness to some of our school's problem area in discipline policies. Maybe we can see some real change." <br /><br />Really? What about some change in the kids household? Why do we not expect parents to teach discipline and habits of success.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55100480671443005342011-07-19T20:14:21.138-05:002011-07-19T20:14:21.138-05:00This study has documented the ever changing of the...This study has documented the ever changing of the school to a police state. What was once minor child behavior, has become a crime. Currently a school can arrest a kid and put them in county jail for disruption of class. Schools are going to far with their punishment. Funny how some of these posts are requesting to throw these bad kids out of class and turn out to be the first ones to raise hell when their own children are facing consequences at school.<br /><br />Schools need to divert money from police departments and funnel the money into proven interventions that are more cost effective. These police officers do not have any required training in working with children and adolescents, which sometimes end up in disastrous results. By only providing police, the schools are only suppressing the problem. <br /><br />Now on AEPS. AEPS in Texas also need to be reformed since they have no standards to adhere. These children are just being warehoused and are not given a decent education.<br /><br />Most people do not care about what happens to these children since most come from low social economic status, thus not calling for any major reform.<br /><br />I am excited this study was completed to bring awareness to some of our school's problem area in discipline policies. Maybe we can see some real change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33625811512618341502011-07-19T17:51:23.028-05:002011-07-19T17:51:23.028-05:00Sub again....Ideally, behavior problems would be d...Sub again....Ideally, behavior problems would be dealt with by intervention at a young age (if they manifest at a young age) but a classroom teacher can't concentrate on one or two distrupters at the expense of the rest of the class. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be happening. With the coming increase in classroom sizes and reduction in staff, it surely won't happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-15949607902135570402011-07-19T15:27:51.600-05:002011-07-19T15:27:51.600-05:00yea not like it was in the old days. i know my pa...yea not like it was in the old days. i know my parents especialy dad used to tell me if and my brothers if you get in a fight at school. Make sure you win. that way it will be worth the beating your going to get when you get home!rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-58054752940792120102011-07-19T14:58:12.353-05:002011-07-19T14:58:12.353-05:00The key is to not let the kids with behavior issue...The key is to not let the kids with behavior issues adversely effect the kids who are well behaved and trying to learn. Teachers should be able to teach and children learn in an environment conducive to such. Frankly, I don't care what happens to continuously disruptive kids/discipline problems. Juv. Justice system or school district. Behave, be quiet or get the hell out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19872437747944757512011-07-19T14:22:04.917-05:002011-07-19T14:22:04.917-05:00Chicken or the egg debate....bad school policy or ...Chicken or the egg debate....bad school policy or bad kid? <br />Schools need to do the very simplist thing...be fair!<br />Behavior should result in appropriate consequences. Consequences that do not care if the student is black, brown or green. Regardless of which side of town your on. Poorly behaved kids are a product of several things, but can be corrected with a fair honest school system that does not allow a kid to become the children of this report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-66983993913430480892011-07-19T13:48:46.702-05:002011-07-19T13:48:46.702-05:00As a substitute teacher in a large urban Texas ISD...As a substitute teacher in a large urban Texas ISD, I can say that discipline is a great problem. I do not profess to know the answer. Some of it is parental, some societal (education is often not valued, bad behavior is provided as the norm), certainly it is part of the educational crisis. Some schools I will no longer sub at because of major discipline issues (I know students tend to show their worst behavior to subs).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-88879436374663376352011-07-19T12:13:17.325-05:002011-07-19T12:13:17.325-05:00I think it is deceptive to include in-school suspe...I think it is deceptive to include in-school suspensions (ISS) in the count in order to get a sensationalized headline. ISS is usually used for what used to be called detention. It's basically a penalty box. If administered properly, the students are in a separate classroom for the specified time, and they are to work in silence on the classroom assignments given by their teachers. They are away from the regular class so they can't disrupt it, and they don't fall behind because they do their work.<br /><br />When it isn't done properly, they just goof off for their specified time, which makes ISS counterproductive.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07764753072397690115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-87281183613484382672011-07-19T12:11:55.720-05:002011-07-19T12:11:55.720-05:00Yes, we should examine agendas. Why do some people...Yes, we should examine agendas. Why do some people present only one side, only those bits of evidence that support what they want to believe and want the rest of us to believe. Yes, we can ignore the attitude, habits and behavior of many of these disruptive students and defame the teachers. Yes, if you are that kind of person, you can do that. You can assume that everyone is living in the same little left wing bubble that you live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com