tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post8903474922653260410..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Feds nix grants subsidizing SHSU crime labGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55245795857288637322012-01-17T11:46:59.277-06:002012-01-17T11:46:59.277-06:00Often, discussion of efficiencies/cost savings of ...Often, discussion of efficiencies/cost savings of lab testing by public versus private labs look only at the test costs themselves, and not at the other ancillary costs.<br /><br />For example, 8:58 offered up two private labs as alternatives. Accepting for the sake of argument that the testing costs are less that the public alternative, the costs of expert witness testimony would undoubtedly be more than the public alternative, especially for out of state labs such as 8:58 suggest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-10699824097378324092012-01-17T10:46:18.232-06:002012-01-17T10:46:18.232-06:00Dear Grits
When I posted the comment about Bexar ...Dear Grits<br /><br />When I posted the comment about Bexar County collecting fees for drug testing I did mean fees are collected for drug testing to secure a conviction. When an arrest is made the substance found is tested to see if it is an illegal drug. In Bexar County this is mostly done by the Medical Examiners Office. When a person is granted probation this testing fee is assessed to them as restitution. Bexar County is very successful at collecting this fee and the money is sent to SAPD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1913461048103513002012-01-17T03:22:12.054-06:002012-01-17T03:22:12.054-06:00Talk of private industry efficiencies and streamli...Talk of private industry efficiencies and streamlining <b>as a given</b> always make me wonder how many people have worked on both sides of the fence. I've seen wild wastes of money in the private sector and incredible dedication in the public sector, neither being automatically better than the other. It comes down to how well a specific organization is set up, funded, overseen, and audited. The stuff that goes on in private labs is at least as scary as the allegations about public sector equivalents, you just don't hear about it for all sorts of reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36651132478179819132012-01-16T20:58:05.394-06:002012-01-16T20:58:05.394-06:00The County should look to already estabolished pri...The County should look to already estabolished private accredited laboratories to consolidate this testing. The cost mentioned for analysis could be cut in half through privatization of this testing using a facility already streamlined in this capacity. 2 labs in particular are AIT Labs out of Indiana and NMS Labs in Pennsylvania.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-42407078072317846202012-01-16T12:09:37.262-06:002012-01-16T12:09:37.262-06:00I agree that the public needs to be educated on th...I agree that the public needs to be educated on the costs of this whole tuff on crime they have been sold. I have always said if the tax payers of the county had to foot the entire bill for not only conviction but incarceration also, you would see not only a whole different approach but attitude too. I heard an interesting story from a family member whose love one is on the Crain Unit. It seems the Asst. Warden came into the dorms back in late December and told the inmates that she own the day room, dorms and could take the television away from them and close the day room completely because SHE paid for them and she owned them. She told them she pays for the uniforms they wear also while yelling out them and using profanity to them. Now if the inmates had did this they would have been thrown in the hole and forgotten about. So I guess the state takes money out of her pay check every month to cover the costs of uniform, recreation and utility bills. Now as a tax payer whose does pay property taxes and actually pays for these costs I take offense to all of this. I like many family members and friends were charged $100 this year for medical and the medical on this unit is still substandard. Those televisions and recreational day rooms are paid for from the commissary money we the actual tax payers send our love ones. As far as I know this Warden does not even pay property taxes because she lives in Free State housing. The state of Texas and the tax payers owns that unit and everything associated with the costs to house those inmates and the tuff on crime mess we buy into every year because of the property taxes we pay. See this is a problem when you have a system of unchecked power and the people in charge are confused enough to think that they actually owns state property and this leads to the corruption and misuse of the same properties that are all too common in TDCJ and especially this unit. So I hope the state starts to deduct monies from her pay check now since she owns the actually prison and all of its property. It is funny how the people in prison are punished if they violate the people running the prisons human rights but the people running the prisons have free reign to abuse and violate the human rights of the inmates. I guess this is how the tuff on crime thing really works. Make the county tax payers pick up the bill for incarceration and make the prison employees actually pay for the costs to own these properties as some of them already seem to think they do.Crain Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-28175024260586161292012-01-16T08:52:33.306-06:002012-01-16T08:52:33.306-06:006:45, drug testing for probationers and controlled...6:45, drug testing for probationers and controlled substance testing for a criminal case are two completely different beasts. You're right probationers pay for drug tests through fees, but that's after conviction. We're talking about evidence gathered pretrial to SECURE a conviction while the defendant still retains a presumption of innocence. Besides, BGB is right that "Most defendants don't have a pot to pee in. They're never able to pay all the fees that are piled up after a conviction."Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-45134517111016549382012-01-16T07:11:09.463-06:002012-01-16T07:11:09.463-06:00It is time for government, especially state and lo...It is time for government, especially state and local government, to get off the tit of federal grant dollars. The federal government has for far too long been doling out dollars that in many cases are wasted within the criminal justice system. The cj system is a black hole that will never break even (pay for itself) or generate a profit. Public safety is not a break even or for profit proposition and should not be such. Local and state governments need to educate the public that there is a cost to arrest, incarcerating (pretrial and post trial), trying defendants, and supervision services. The costs for drug analysis and lab work is an expense that is a must, and is a cost the local public must bear. Using federal dollars to prolong the inevitable paying of these costs is wrong and misleading. Fortunatley the federal dollars are gone and it is time to pay for these expenses at the local level. Let us be honest with the taxpayers as to what it costs to prosecute a case because public safety has a cost. Public awareness and transparency are always good for government, especially the criminal justice system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-86779661062870334732012-01-16T06:45:58.437-06:002012-01-16T06:45:58.437-06:00Actually it is possible to pass on most of the fee...Actually it is possible to pass on most of the fee for drug testing to defendants. This is already being done with much success in many counties. Bexar County Probation office collects hundreds of thousands of dollars to help pay for this important service. It is well worth the price to be granted probation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-11081614198005889182012-01-15T21:51:44.300-06:002012-01-15T21:51:44.300-06:00Keep in mind that politicians are all very territo...Keep in mind that politicians are all very territorial about their own perceived interests and the monies they are put in charge of. That observation bears out across party lines and philosophical bearing, those in charge of one part of government loathe to give up what they perceive as "theirs". <br /><br />As the common perception of the accused is generally negative, whatever lip service is paid to protecting their rights (speedy trial, Bradley, complete investigations of their alleged crimes, and appointments of counsel), it will never be enough for some and always be too much for others. If the political will were there to force the powers that be to take a big picture look, would it be enough to also overcome the widely held conceptions of smoke/fire and that of beating the rap but not the ride?<br /><br />Those that think this is a recent phenomenon can rest assured that it is not and that whatever advances we have made in one arena are balanced out by advances in the other, the current concern is largely driven by those who really would prefer to save a penny at the expense of a pound.Peter Houstonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-75241530634756290852012-01-15T15:54:51.019-06:002012-01-15T15:54:51.019-06:00Relying on asset forfeiture has way too much poten...Relying on asset forfeiture has way too much potential to become a corrupt vicious circle, where law enforcement targets people based on what they can seize rather than threats to public safety. There have already been too many cases where it's been misused.gravyrugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67172527621336294872012-01-15T13:19:28.616-06:002012-01-15T13:19:28.616-06:00Anon, don't be ridiculous. Most defendants do...Anon, don't be ridiculous. Most defendants don't have a pot to pee in. They're never able to pay all the fees that are piled up after a conviction and you want to add another fee. Come on, get real!<br /><br />As for those government grants, will the recipients never learn? They always dry up sooner or later. Agencies that depend on government grants are only fooling themselves and the taxpayers.BarkGrowlBitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830589594331819236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-3489285310344776802012-01-15T12:49:18.690-06:002012-01-15T12:49:18.690-06:00The cost of testing can be passed along to defenda...The cost of testing can be passed along to defendants who plead, or are found guilty. Why dont they try this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com