tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post113923291853312855..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: More on ACLU, guns and 'traveling' in TexasGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1139317797336119792006-02-07T07:09:00.000-06:002006-02-07T07:09:00.000-06:00OSAPian: Thanks for recanting that first one about...OSAPian: Thanks for recanting that first one about supporting child molestation, since it's completely unfounded demagoguery. The problem with eliminating free speech rights for NAMBLA or the Nazis or others you don't like is that, once a legal precedent is set to take their rights, it's quite easy to apply the precedent to others who somebody, somewhere doesn't approve of, like, say, gun owners. <BR/><BR/>The Supreme Court, for example, defined our "reasonable expectation of privacy" in public spaces based on cases prosecuting criminals whose rights few people care about - so now, the same definition means the state can't stop somebody from taking upskirt photos in the mall because our privacy was reduced in the name of prosecuting bad guys. This stuff affects everybody, not just the parties in the cases. <BR/><BR/>As for Gitmo, in many ways nobody knew before what those guys' "rights" are since the situation is new unto the world. The courts must decide, and I'm glad ACLU is there to help force the issue, as well as NSA wiretapping of US citizens and other such matters. Lawyers aren't morally responsible for their clients actions - our adversarial system requires that some lawyers assume the duty of protecting each party's rights in every case, precisely because the erosion for one can set the precedent for erosion for the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>First they came for the gypsies, but I was not a gypsy so I did not speak up ... Best,Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1139300402085944582006-02-07T02:20:00.000-06:002006-02-07T02:20:00.000-06:00Excuse me, the NAMBLA comment was too harsh. I sh...Excuse me, the NAMBLA comment was too harsh. I should have said if you guys would just stop supporting NAMBLA's "right" to give tips on how to molest children and get away with it.OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373824505394314968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1139300194847766712006-02-07T02:16:00.000-06:002006-02-07T02:16:00.000-06:00The ACLU position was right and actually very cons...The ACLU position was right and actually very consistent with what it stands for. Now, if you guys would just stop supporting NAMBLA's "right" to molest children and "rights" that don't exist for foriegn terrorists locked up in Gitmo, I might start donating to the organization again.OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373824505394314968noreply@blogger.com