tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post1612877088002052150..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Reversing overincarceration trends: A national perspectiveGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-75910948248912103302013-03-25T06:43:49.656-05:002013-03-25T06:43:49.656-05:00Give me a list of them by email at shenson@austin....Give me a list of them by email at shenson@austin.rr.com, both the URL of the article and the date and time of the comment, and I'll delete them.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-54078293047368683822013-03-25T03:51:07.824-05:002013-03-25T03:51:07.824-05:00Dear Grits, Please assist me, I do not see a tras...Dear Grits, Please assist me, I do not see a trash can near any of my post. I am trying to do the best I can. You states the trash can is near the time/date stamp by our post/comments/replies... If I do not have this information correctly please help a mother out... please Thank You for your time and consideration. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-4456882029557781832010-08-19T10:08:44.240-05:002010-08-19T10:08:44.240-05:00Just want to say that I do not agree that crime is...Just want to say that I do not agree that crime is declining, but if less persons are being incarerated... I'm not sure. I don't know. I am trying to say that crime in generally as in what is one meaning when they say crime. You know sort of like... the word Crazy. I personal think redefining crazy is way over do. (you going to steal this thought from me?) lol REDEFININGB CRAZY........as MORALLY INSANE.<br />So then criminals in charge of criminals?<br /><br />I have a few person's on this list of mine. <br /><br />Peace and Love and warm grits too!<br /><br />BRYCE VANDERGRIFTS MOM MS.PELLETIERAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-26998691434692444852010-03-24T16:56:41.053-05:002010-03-24T16:56:41.053-05:00There is a side to this story that all you fine co...There is a side to this story that all you fine conservatives don't discuss.All the people that are locked up for drug offences and other petty crimes that the state spends a ton to house every year.Taking up beds that should be filled by child molester's that get probation for thier first offence, when they should get life!How comfortable and safe do you feel about that fact,now that your lockem all up mentality has caused so many loop holes and early release for the ones that really need to be locked up, walk the streets.Aw, but your the man!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33813920001761425122010-03-19T01:45:50.667-05:002010-03-19T01:45:50.667-05:00Up until the recent global economic crisis, income...Up until the recent global economic crisis, incomes and standards of living were improving. Economics has far greater impact on the levels of crime than the reactions to those who commit crimes. The levels will almost certainly be rising again based on the financial trouble that America has been in over the past couple of years.<br /><br />Also the types of crimes committed change with economic factors. <br /><br />A "tuff on crime" approach may have some short term effect on the numbers of criminals on the streets, but it cannot influence human behaviour over a longer period. People make decisions based more on how much they think they need what they want, rather than on how long they might do in prison if they get caught (most criminals do not believe they will get caught in the first place).sunray's wenchhttp://www.helium.com/items/1653749-parent-in-prisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-50371008003369647752010-03-18T10:02:58.398-05:002010-03-18T10:02:58.398-05:00Yep, crime has been declining for two decades. Su...Yep, crime has been declining for two decades. Surprisingly, liberals do not contribute the continued decline in crime to the 'get tough on crime approach' of the 90's. Why is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69570308281140131162010-03-18T05:08:18.085-05:002010-03-18T05:08:18.085-05:00'scuse me 10:09, just a brain fart- yes, I mea...'scuse me 10:09, just a brain fart- yes, I meant a decline in *incarceration*. Crime has been declining for almost two decades.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-17373315130980057562010-03-17T22:09:38.668-05:002010-03-17T22:09:38.668-05:00"If you have reason to doubt their work - e.g..."If you have reason to doubt their work - e.g., if you think crime has declined some other year since 1972, you should definitely dispute their conclusions."<br /><br />No where does the article referenced mention a decline in crime, simply a decline in incarceration. HUGE difference!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-347814108101811752010-03-17T22:01:41.802-05:002010-03-17T22:01:41.802-05:00@9:32 - 2 things: A) That's true of every stud...@9:32 - 2 things: A) That's true of every study funded by anyone, but it doesn't discount the arguments made, on either side, and B) I see this as different than, say, research funded by Big Pharma because they've got a direct profit motive while think tanks like TPPF are advancing ideological views.<br /><br />The Pew Center on the States funds pretty credible research in my experience. If you have reason to doubt their work - e.g., if you think crime has declined some other year since 1972, you should definitely dispute their conclusions.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-23234571427030845322010-03-17T21:32:05.988-05:002010-03-17T21:32:05.988-05:00You cannot dismiss the individuals or the foundati...You cannot dismiss the individuals or the foundations that fund the research as insignificant, particularly when those foundations have millions of dollars invested in certain programs that further their cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37877822060581331062010-03-17T20:04:59.855-05:002010-03-17T20:04:59.855-05:00No, 5:41, I'm suggesting the arguments from bo...No, 5:41, I'm suggesting the arguments from both sides should be evaluated on their merits, not disparaged based on who funded them as the link 12:46 provided attempts to do.<br /><br />Also, 5:27 - I'm quite sure TPPF's donors, including Leininger, know of their work. They promote it widely in their materials and it was a big part of their recent statewide conference, which was filled with GOP officials of all stripes.<br /><br />TPPF doesn't just look at this from the fiscal angle. They're refreshingly actually for small government on criminal justice, which is a concept Republicans have gotten away from in recent years. They also do a lot of good work on the pro-victim front through a restorative justice lens.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53992722553465161552010-03-17T17:41:47.490-05:002010-03-17T17:41:47.490-05:00So the conservative foundations views are based on...So the conservative foundations views are based on conspiracy and the liberal foundations views are based on data and research? Why am I not surprised that a former ACLU guy would see it that way....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67915236028430544322010-03-17T17:27:19.424-05:002010-03-17T17:27:19.424-05:00We are clearly moving in a direction where incarce...We are clearly moving in a direction where incarceration is discouraged; however, that is primarily money driven. Ten years from now there will be another outcry for the 'get tuff' approach.<br />The conservatives such as Mark Levin at the TPPF only look at the angle from a fiscal perspective. The TPPF is far from conservative on criminal justice issues and I seriously doubt their donors are aware of their 'set'em free and save a buck' philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2785303066229397752010-03-17T16:53:55.161-05:002010-03-17T16:53:55.161-05:0012:46, that's quite a conspiracy theory they&#...12:46, that's quite a conspiracy theory they've got there - one that could be equally applied to proponents of neoconservative "tuff on crime" mavens at the Manhattan Institute, the American Enterprise Institute, etc., funded through the Olin, Scaife, Bradley foundations and a similar network of related donors.<br /><br />The problem with your interpretation in this instance: Do you honestly believe the GOP Legislature and Governor Perry are part of some vast left wing conspiracy run out of New York City foundation offices? Looking at Texas' experience, it makes no sense. The most important think tank on incarceration here has been the Texas Public Policy Foundation funded by religious right mega-donor Jim Leininger - historically one of Rick Perry's biggest supporters. The movement in Texas was a) home grown and b) bipartisan.<br /><br />2:31: You're partially right; budgets are certainly part of it. But the focus of stronger probation, progressive sanctions, etc., is all about reducing the number of victims by focusing resources on what works and defunding ineffective overincarceration schemes that aren't supported by evidence-based research. For low-risk offenders and many higher-risk ones after they've succeeded on supervision for a while, additional punitive measures become counterproductive and create more victims. In that regard, the system IS broken and too reliant on incarceration. Look at the steep curve after '72 on the chart on the first page of the report, with incarceration rates far outstripping population growth for the first time in the nation's history.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-14061883439419516922010-03-17T14:31:01.472-05:002010-03-17T14:31:01.472-05:00Budgets and liberal ideologies are driving this mo...Budgets and liberal ideologies are driving this movement. Let's reduce the budget, not the number of victims!!(sarcasm) Why don't offenders change their behavior?.......because they don't want to!! Let's stop with all the stupid meetings and how the system is failing the offenders. The system is not broke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-31686660950127607172010-03-17T12:46:09.361-05:002010-03-17T12:46:09.361-05:00There are two sides to that argument. Here is the...There are two sides to that argument. Here is the other:<br /><br />http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1241118291.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com