tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post193061093368826304..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Liberals try scare tactics touting "impending crime wave"Gritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-60043159823530804792008-02-27T06:12:00.000-06:002008-02-27T06:12:00.000-06:00"By their works, ye shall know them."Depends upon ...<I>"By their works, ye shall know them."</I><BR/><BR/>Depends upon what you mean by 'liberals', I suppose. Ol' Mad King Georgie the Third and his gang thought the American Founding Fathers were 'liberals' of the classic, libertarian stripe. <BR/><BR/>Nowadays, 'liberal' means using government to solve social problems, the exact opposite of the orientation of the Founders. And in the issue of the DrugWar, it was the modern progenitors of today's 'liberals' who got the 'social engineering' ball rolling with the first Federal drug laws. <BR/><BR/>That those laws (and no small number of the supposed 'liberals' who proposed those laws) had a racist underside was something that wasn't considered at the time to be of any great import. <BR/><BR/>But, their 'works' are easily seen, today: the vast majority of those in prison on drug charges are minorities. <BR/><BR/>Seems it doesn't matter whether its' 'liberal' 'compassion' or 'conservative' 'compassion', when it's wedded to using the power of The State to bludgeon people into accepting the agenda of either group, a mess results. It's why the Founders were smart enough to leave well enough alone - as in <I>"Mind your own business!"</I> A pity that following their example seems to have gone out of style in the last century through to today...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61619052363316204002008-02-26T16:32:00.000-06:002008-02-26T16:32:00.000-06:00Have these sorts of predictions ever been correct?...<I>Have these sorts of predictions ever been correct?<BR/><BR/>We were told in the 90s about a coming demographic wave of super-predators too... never materialized.</I><BR/><BR/>I always thought they were talking about Republicans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-55930584153297443032008-02-26T15:40:00.000-06:002008-02-26T15:40:00.000-06:00Have these sorts of predictions ever been correct?...Have these sorts of predictions ever been correct?<BR/><BR/>We were told in the 90s about a coming demographic wave of super-predators too... never materialized.<BR/><BR/>Maybe liberals think the crime issue plays to their favor in the coming election. Historically that hasn't been true though.<BR/><BR/>BBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-49679496411623052242008-02-26T10:19:00.000-06:002008-02-26T10:19:00.000-06:00So...twenty years ago, thanks in no small part to ...So...twenty years ago, thanks in no small part to a hyped up anti-crack hysteria (based largely on ignorant tabloid journalism), the mandatory minimum laws get passed, the prisons get built, the people do their mandated time...and they are starting to come out. <BR/><BR/>What did people expect? That they'd <I>all</I> die in prison? It might have been convenient for those who first put them there, but wasn't likely. And now, here's the (expected) harvest from what was first sown.<BR/><BR/>Another flock of DrugWar chickens coming home to roost. Didn't have to happen, if we had sensible laws, but nooooo, gotta lock up the results of social problems to look like you're dealing with the root cause, when anything but has happened. <BR/><BR/>And now hundreds of thousands of hardened felons will be free...to starve, as most will not be able to find gainful employment, even were they not to face discrimination for having been cons levied against them (as in age discrimination and lack of skills). Expect the recidivism to go sky-high in a couple years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-83956658513393288562008-02-26T09:59:00.000-06:002008-02-26T09:59:00.000-06:00I think Third Way' is a Bloomberg front, if memory...I think Third Way' is a Bloomberg front, if memory serves. From a Daily Kos post by a fellow calls himself 'Kagro X'. Bloomberg no friend of freedom, other than the freedom to make money of course. <BR/><BR/>Broder has been making pro Bloomberg"bipartisanship" and Unity 08- what a joke- noises for a while now. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"A think tank with close ties to the telecommunication industry has been working with a key Democrat in the Senate on a domestic surveillance bill that would provide telecommunications companies with retroactive immunity for possibly violating federal law by spying on American citizens at the behest of the Bush administration.<BR/><BR/>Third Way, a non-profit "progressive" think tank that is funded and controlled by hedge fund managers, corporate lawyers and business executives has advised Sen. Jay Rockefeller on a domestic surveillance bill that includes immunity for telecommunications companies with which Third Way board members have close ties."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104995362637978137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51587747412868928182008-02-26T09:21:00.000-06:002008-02-26T09:21:00.000-06:00Are we descending into a nation of scared little r...Are we descending into a nation of scared little rabbits?<BR/><BR/>Is it just me or does fear mongering seem to be on the rise?<BR/><BR/>Grits, thanks for helping break through the fear and bringing some rationality to the subject.Ron in Houstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02496306119920809104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13135831102567615822008-02-26T09:03:00.000-06:002008-02-26T09:03:00.000-06:00"Why don't people hire us for this stuff?" From yo..."Why don't people hire us for this stuff?" From your mouth to God's ear, amigo.<BR/><BR/>The fundamental dynamic in criminal justice politics is a stable, long-term coalition of Big Government Liberals - who think every problem can be solved through expanded control of the state over the individual - and Tuff on Crime Conservatives. (Ann Richards was a bigger prison builder than George W. Bush in Texas, for example.) That bipartisan/non-partisan faction continually beats down more libertarian and humanist wings in both parties, no matter who's in power.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-77892432062419037362008-02-26T07:47:00.000-06:002008-02-26T07:47:00.000-06:00Nice reframing of "third way" into "second." We s...Nice reframing of "third way" into "second." We should also run with "do the crime, do the time, do more crime" and "three strikes? no strikes. stop crime before it happens." Why don't people hire us for this stuff? Keep up the great work.--MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7443395339185721722008-02-26T07:08:00.000-06:002008-02-26T07:08:00.000-06:00Your column, the report and the editorial are all ...Your column, the report and the editorial are all good food for thought. Too bad there isn't more rational debate on this subject among the politicos running for office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com