tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post2237906136614199575..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Texas leads nation in 2007 officer deathsGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-70562940902385645942007-08-05T10:41:00.000-05:002007-08-05T10:41:00.000-05:00It's well known that vehicle stops are high risk f...It's well known that vehicle stops are high risk for a patrol officer since they often lead to a violent interaction. Consider even the DUI stop --- an individual not in control of his/her impulses and reactions may take actions they wouldn't ordinarily, like using a weapon or refusing to stop and putting others in danger with their high-speed and otherwise risky driving. Officers may need more split-second defensive driving training or clearly defined circumstances for when a high-speed pursuit is less risky for bystanders. Yes, the license is called in and others may join in the attempt to stop the vehicle is a more cautious way. If we improve police training and make their communications systems talk to each other, we might be able to reduce the risk to the officer and the citizen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40321293713337466132007-08-04T18:35:00.000-05:002007-08-04T18:35:00.000-05:00To 7:23most peace officers do NOT enjoy high speed...To 7:23<BR/>most peace officers do NOT enjoy high speed chases; they are very dangerous. Why pursue you ask?<BR/><BR/>This week in East Texas, a pursuit ended when DPS Troopers shot the tires of the fleeing vehicle. The perp fled on foot. Inside the trunk was an eldery woman who had been kidnapped and murdered. The perp was tracked and caught. He had abducted another woman previously.<BR/><BR/>That it the reason for pursuits; what is the person fleeing from? Just a ticket? <BR/><BR/>Do innocent persons sometimes get hurt or worse? Yes. Do peace officers sometimes get hurt or worse? Yes. That is the reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-84134024820122248662007-08-03T07:23:00.000-05:002007-08-03T07:23:00.000-05:00"I don't know why you oppose exploring policies to..."I don't know why you oppose exploring policies to reduce police deaths in traffic accidents"<BR/><BR/>I'll tell you why. Because the writer is a cop and high speed chases are the funnest part of his job. Being a cop is boring most of the time, but those situations that give you a big adrenaline rush and make you feel like one of those hotshots in the movies is what some of those guys became cops for. He's not worried about safety, he just thinks driving fast is fun (because it is) and he's mad that someone might tell him not to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1826336544611396372007-08-03T04:38:00.000-05:002007-08-03T04:38:00.000-05:00If you think the opinion of somebody too cowardly ...If you think the opinion of somebody too cowardly to sign their name to such statements bothers me much, 10:16, you've got another think coming. I don't know why you oppose exploring policies to reduce police deaths in traffic accidents, but it's not a very smart approach.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-45473130589142255382007-08-02T22:18:00.000-05:002007-08-02T22:18:00.000-05:00Forgot the you.That will give you something to tal...Forgot the you.That will give you something to talk about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61663680896465918462007-08-02T22:16:00.000-05:002007-08-02T22:16:00.000-05:00Grits you are a idiot. When need the Police call s...Grits you are a idiot. When need the Police call somebody else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40873429747915810252007-08-02T16:36:00.000-05:002007-08-02T16:36:00.000-05:00The Amarillo paper focused on the study finding th...The Amarillo paper focused on the study finding that traffic accidents were the largest category of deaths, I don't see why Grits should be criticized for taking the same tack or suggesting solutions to reduce deaths. What's wrong with that, 9:09?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-30050739867065974462007-08-02T10:15:00.000-05:002007-08-02T10:15:00.000-05:00I didn't dodge the question, I told you the group ...I didn't dodge the question, I told you the group didn't provide the stats you asked for and provided what information I had on the topic.<BR/><BR/>And it's not true that no cops died of high speed chases, I just don't know the number in Texas - the FBI stats say nationally it's the most common cause of police deaths.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I called you an idiot for the ridiculous interpretation that I'm blaming police officers for their own deaths. If you think that, you ARE an idiot. Moreover, if you now think that police should use "much better judgment" than they currently do in high speed chases, I honestly don't understand what is your complaint. You go farther than me! I don't think it's bad judgment by the officers, I think it's a bad policy by police management. The cops are doing what their departments train and command them to do. Now who's blaming the officers?Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-56210762084865726012007-08-02T09:09:00.000-05:002007-08-02T09:09:00.000-05:00You dodged the question and confused the issue. If...You dodged the question and confused the issue. If no cops were killed as a result of high speed chases, why slant the story the way you did? <BR/><BR/>A separate issue is the propriety of high speed chases by police. I agree that police should use much better judgment in deciding whether to engage in these chases. Simply because I have the temerity to disagree with you does not make me an idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-92069254745793740992007-08-02T08:27:00.000-05:002007-08-02T08:27:00.000-05:00@ 8:10 - What an idiot! I took a story about dead ...@ 8:10 - What an idiot! I took a story about dead cops and turned it into a story about how changing policies could prevent more cops dying. I guess you'd rather praise a dead hero than send a live one home to their family at night, but that's not my preference.<BR/><BR/>And the stats from this group didn't break down causes by state - the information was presented as a national aggregate. But as an example, "In Houston, 676 police chases [in 2005] resulted in injuries to 79 people, 14 of them were civilians not involved in the pursuit." Unless you're foolish enough to think all of the other 64 injured who were "involved in the pursuit" were crooks, not cops, it's pretty clear high speed chases are one of the more dangerous activities police ever engage in.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-92165066079937878142007-08-02T08:10:00.000-05:002007-08-02T08:10:00.000-05:00Amazing. Only you can turn a story about dead cops...Amazing. Only you can turn a story about dead cops into a "blame the cops for their own death" story. Were any of the 13 deaths a result of a pursuit? Or did you just specutlate to slant the story your way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69807521478816054702007-08-01T20:57:00.000-05:002007-08-01T20:57:00.000-05:00"Should we increase roadside cameras and receive t..."Should we increase roadside cameras and receive the ticket in the mail?"<BR/><BR/>the cameras have their own problems and are not a substitute for officers on the street. 99.9+% of people pull over without incident. The question is whether high speed chases are justified when someone ONLY wanted for a traffic violation or other C misdemeanor flees. IMO eliminating chases in those circumstances is a minimal change that would improve safety and still allow for routine traffic enforcement.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-14441331533678624722007-08-01T20:44:00.000-05:002007-08-01T20:44:00.000-05:00I believe that the article mentioned not only purs...I believe that the article mentioned not only pursuits but traffic stops. Should we increase roadside cameras and receive the ticket in the mail?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76012300705335204942007-08-01T17:45:00.000-05:002007-08-01T17:45:00.000-05:00In most cases they shouldn't pursue. The bank robb...In most cases they shouldn't pursue. The bank robber, yes. But not the speeder or the guy who failed to signal a lane change. If you know someone robbed a bank or that a car is stolen then there's a legitimate reason for a high speed chase. But not every time some punk decides to rabbit - in most cases it's over small time stuff and the risk to the officer and the public isn't worth it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-77762036824347451332007-08-01T14:48:00.000-05:002007-08-01T14:48:00.000-05:00Why should they persue at all? Are you kidding?So...Why should they persue at all? Are you kidding?<BR/><BR/>So, let me get this right. Police shouldn't pursue the bank robber who races away from the scene perhaps, in a stolen vehicle. We're going to assume that the license plate number belongs to the crook? Unbelievable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-22011325035138606492007-08-01T12:29:00.000-05:002007-08-01T12:29:00.000-05:00Why should they pursue at all? Routinely, they ent...Why should they pursue at all? Routinely, they enter the vehicle's license plate number in their database, so if the suspect flees, they have some ability to trace the vehicle. This is about common sense. Officers should use professional discretion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81967542905389597302007-08-01T12:19:00.000-05:002007-08-01T12:19:00.000-05:00where has common sense gone??? you cant expect pol...where has common sense gone??? you cant expect police not to go after offenders if there was a no pursuit policy all you would ave to do is run. With pursuits an officer must be able to make a good decision as to when to carry on and when to terminate the pursuit. I mean to say there is no good reason to continue a high risk/high speed pursuit through urban areas for minor infractions. but the officer must weigh the infraction aginst the risk to public safety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-80161406295947836322007-08-01T11:30:00.000-05:002007-08-01T11:30:00.000-05:00High speed chases and the risk of officer death is...High speed chases and the risk of officer death is just the tip of the iceberg. How many traffic accidents are police involved in? How much damage, injury and death are police responsible for?<BR/><BR/>These guys are responsible for public safety, they're our best and only hope. Just because police have an 'excause' doesn't make it right that they constantly drive like idiots!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com