tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post2919433244492054477..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Most larger Texas police departments wrote fewer traffic tickets in 2011Gritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-25384682956686984862012-12-17T15:42:14.892-06:002012-12-17T15:42:14.892-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-46777321348166069982012-03-05T02:23:33.278-06:002012-03-05T02:23:33.278-06:00It sure seems like a lot of guesses taking place h...It sure seems like a lot of guesses taking place here. The biggest likelihood for why fewer tickets have been written is the lack of overtime programs funded by the state. I see this in all the surrounding communities as well as my own, the state making cutbacks to various programs such as this.<br /><br />For the most part, few city and county officers write tickets at all unless they are specifically mandated by department policy, such as for an accident. Given cutbacks in personnel, officers tend to be busy running calls for service or handling administrative paperwork that used to be done by far cheaper (in cost) civilians.<br /><br />The officers most likely to write tickets are those specifically assigned to traffic details, generally a few percent of officers on large departments and maybe a handful in smaller agencies. Agencies like Houston and Harris County are adopting programs to set court times on the clock instead of paying as much in overtime, the result being that hundreds of hours of time is now spent in court rather than on the street. Other departments have done likewise, the patrol units less likely to write tickets but far, far more likely to deploy traffic stops as a means for discovering other crimes related to drugs and the like.The Phantom Bureaucratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-46606877171720795172012-03-03T14:51:37.475-06:002012-03-03T14:51:37.475-06:00I know the many anti law enforcement types that fr...I know the many anti law enforcement types that frequent this site will hate to hear this, but from an officer's point of view; has anyone noticed that most fines for just about any ticketable offense start at $200 plus court cost and quickly go up to $500 for some violations. It is a common subject in many squad rooms that with the economy like it is, in is unpleasant to inflict the financial hardship on hard working souls trying to survive. Although there will always be exceptions, most police officers DO NOT like to write tickets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20525604162964369482012-03-02T22:14:21.769-06:002012-03-02T22:14:21.769-06:00Speak of fishing----the "moving violation&quo...Speak of fishing----the "moving violation" list is enormous and egregious. It allows raising revenue and harassment--anything you want. Now we can have TSA "officers" attacking us, as well. <br /> It's a good thing several generations have been dumbed down to stand down and turn the other cheek an respect ANYTHING that looks like TV "authority." <br /> I'm sick of looking over my shoulder for a cop, when they're never there when folks on cell phones block the road or almost hit me, or when the illegal Mexicans DO hit me.<br /> (I cannot read the double "catcha" things!)johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808884177035705472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-60017218706287803402012-03-02T08:25:30.788-06:002012-03-02T08:25:30.788-06:00One possibility is that, with the loss of the pret...One possibility is that, with the loss of the pretext stop doctrine, traffic stops have gone from being about Transportation Code offenses and fine money to an excuse to guess, hunch, profile and stop Citizens in search of a bigger fish. If the officer guesses correctly and finds a crime in progress, they rarely issue a traffic citation for the underlying stop.DLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620670491113872035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-80750956263072331812012-03-02T08:16:07.775-06:002012-03-02T08:16:07.775-06:00The issue is complex and it's likely no one re...The issue is complex and it's likely no one real answer. Lots of guesses come to mind.<br /><br />-The population is getting older. older drivers speed less and take better care of things like registration and inspection stickers.<br /><br />I honestly think this, coupled with the economy encouraging people to drive less and more people living in cites as opposed to the country and maybe using public transit a bit more is a big factor in all this.<br /><br />-The Texas LEO population is getting older. I remember a study that suggested older cops write fewer tickets, but I can't find it , will post it when i do.<br /><br />-The Texas LEO population my be experiencing a cultural shift, while it's getting older, new recruits are coming in from a generation less likely to see themselves as "revenue collectors" for their employer. Young cops drive ticket totals, so this could be related to the point above.<br /> <br />-Also related is the slow down in hiring because of the economy. There are lots of seasons officers looking for work, and fewer departments hiring/smaller academy classes. Like I said, I think older officers tend to write fewer citations.<br /><br />-A big contributing factor is probably the budget crunches killing overtime.<br /><br />-Also, because of the rise of intelligence based policing, more cops are working off peak driving times and less traffic in general.<br /><br />-Some of it may be a bid to improve community relations, people don't like speed traps lol.<br /><br />Its not just Texas. A google search finds lots of places with fewer tickets being written. Some of it is retaliation for street cops for something or another, some of it is, well, everything else:<br /><br />http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq_ed_board/Fewer-traffic-tickets-mean-less-safe-streets.html<br /><br />http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-07-31/news/29852531_1_ticket-fixing-scandal-nypd-s-internal-affairs-bureau-fellow-cops<br /><br />http://www.live-mtown.com/2011/09/city-shocked-by-mpd-writting-over-18k-fewer-tickets/<br /><br />http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/02/saginaw_county_traffic_tickets.html<br /><br />http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/SF-Cops-Issuing-Fewer-Traffic-Tickets-126548788.html<br /><br />http://www.kentucky.com/2011/12/31/2011971/lexington-police-are-writing-fewer.html<br /><br />In other words, damn if I know.<br /><br /> Because of the nature of my job, I don't write a lot of citations of any type but even when I worked for a small town, the Chief wasn't big in tickets.College Copnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-18305469888725131672012-03-02T08:02:23.404-06:002012-03-02T08:02:23.404-06:00Gas prices may have slowed people down or have th...Gas prices may have slowed people down or have then driving less. I've driven in San Antonio recently and saw plenty of reasons for higher ticket numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65148170571981918562012-03-02T07:21:20.764-06:002012-03-02T07:21:20.764-06:00Humble wife, Rick Perry actually de-funded all our...Humble wife, Rick Perry actually <a href="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2006/03/hug-drug-task-force-officer-hes-having.html" rel="nofollow">de-funded all our regional drug task forces in 2006</a> in the wake of the Tulia scandal.<br /><br />Some departments still do the same stuff in-house, but we don't have the autonomous, multi-county task forces like you're talking about in New Mexico any longer. I believe we're the only state that has completely eliminated them.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7256043280636208552012-03-02T00:57:39.407-06:002012-03-02T00:57:39.407-06:00i can tell you why san antonio is probably diff. ...i can tell you why san antonio is probably diff. It's got that great big air force base for it's new members. So LOTS of ignorant out of towners running around.rodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-75805951004896670722012-03-01T18:47:34.030-06:002012-03-01T18:47:34.030-06:00I am not sure in TX, but in NM the money is in the...I am not sure in TX, but in NM the money is in the drug task forces. Tickets may have supported new tools of the trade years ago, but the money with the HIDTA program.<br /><br />A recent roundup in my area brought in many vehicles, over 80 arrests, weapons, drugs, a boat, and I believe maybe a home. Lots of cash was seized too.Humble wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02823200562312609670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-1661994161191209402012-03-01T18:45:58.786-06:002012-03-01T18:45:58.786-06:00Is it really out of bounds to think that cops woul...Is it really out of bounds to think that cops would rather fight crime than collect taxes?<br /><br />Another story mentioned that departments stopped paying overtime for court testimony, but I think focusing on real crime is probably the cause here.Phelpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270536870200063563noreply@blogger.com