tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post4560535123724246803..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Reining in asset forfeiture abusesGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81761764166155711942009-06-14T09:17:25.545-05:002009-06-14T09:17:25.545-05:00CNN/360 Anderson Cooper ran a story last week abou...CNN/360 Anderson Cooper ran a story last week about the racket in Kimble County, Texas, where the DA takes the judge who hears the cases to Hawaii, and gives the judge thousands of dollars. The piece is still on CNN/360's website, titled "Good Cop/Bad Cop." The Texas AG will do nothing. The AG is worthless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-13141585267166835562009-03-17T09:37:00.000-05:002009-03-17T09:37:00.000-05:00In Merrye Olde England, it was unsafe to travel th...In Merrye Olde England, it was unsafe to travel the roads because of the criminal 'highwaymen'. Such 'freelance socialists' would demand that you 'stand and deliver' your valuables, or risk death. <BR/><BR/>Nowadays, the role has been taken over by The State, whose minions, armed with both a weapon <I>and</I> a badge, are doing the exact same thing to any who are unfortunate enough to fall into their hands. Whether they are actually guilty of a crime or not. <BR/><BR/>And police have the temerity to wonder aloud at the growing distrust and hatred of them?<BR/><BR/>There's a good reason why 'asset forfeiture' had remained an unused tool from Revolutionary times to the 1980's, and that was because of the <I><B>GLARINGLY OBVIOUS POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE</B></I>. Which opponents of the practice pointed out long before it was so short-sightedly implemented. But thanks to the anti-drug hysteria of the 1980's and the seeming desire to appear 'tough on crime!', those warnings were shouted down. And now we have messes like Tenaha all over the country. All very predictable. So <I>nobody</I> with three brains cells to click together should be surprised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-60146449146549860532009-03-17T08:21:00.000-05:002009-03-17T08:21:00.000-05:006:25 is right on. Local agencies will go the fede...6:25 is right on. Local agencies will go the federal route where there are virtually no strings attached. Some already doing it now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20837215661407387892009-03-16T22:31:00.000-05:002009-03-16T22:31:00.000-05:00I'm fighting this tooth and nail in Colorado right...I'm fighting this tooth and nail in Colorado right now. We passed the forfeiture bill in 2002 and now the cops are coming after the money. Good Luck Texas!Pamela Clifton and Christie Donnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10873286290200378185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62841554935072197432009-03-16T06:25:00.000-05:002009-03-16T06:25:00.000-05:00"Isn't there a federal Law that covers asset forfe..."Isn't there a federal Law that covers asset forfeiture and use of funds? Most law enforcement get their drug money from piggy-backing federal agencies cases using money laundering units."<BR/><BR/>Yes, but all it states is that the forfeited funds be used for a "law enforcement purpose."<BR/><BR/>Local and state law enforcement agencies have several ways they can get around state forfeiture laws and they do frequently. <BR/><BR/>First way is to have the FEDS adopt a forfeiture. FEDS keep 20% and the state and local gets 80%. Like state law, all you need is preponderance (51%); it's a civil procedure; and it's easy.<BR/><BR/>Second way is to have a member of your PD assigned to a FED task force. Most PD's send their TIRD over there; the Federal agency gets help albeit a TIRD; and the agency gets a % of their overall profit. <BR/><BR/>There are auditors that work for the US Marshal's service but they don't make waves. These accounts generally have very large piles of money in them and they're used at the discretion of the CHIEF. <BR/><BR/>In summary, drug dealers and the police have the same motive; money. Whether it is or not is left up to the imagination of the officer who takes it. It's more profitable to exaggerate than tell the truth. ScaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36836841791217147812009-03-15T23:58:00.000-05:002009-03-15T23:58:00.000-05:00It's my opinion that many things "legal" in Texas ...It's my opinion that many things "legal" in Texas such as this asset forfeiture without criminal conviction are actually illegal, thanks to constitutional protection and Marbury v. Madison.<BR/><BR/>I hope this case goes to the Supreme Court. It's obvious what they'll decide - and it won't be in favor of the police departments robbing travelers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-74266776289055732902009-03-15T23:55:00.000-05:002009-03-15T23:55:00.000-05:00If they don't make it illegal unless there's a cri...If they don't make it illegal unless there's a criminal conviction it will keep reappearing in different forms.<BR/><BR/>Why is the legislature not requiring criminal conviction - anybody know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-72096937660101079532009-03-15T21:21:00.000-05:002009-03-15T21:21:00.000-05:00"By law, who is charged with auditing these funds ..."By law, who is charged with auditing these funds and where would one (in county government) go to see where these funds are being spent?"<BR/><BR/>8:16 that would be the County Auditor See Texas Attorney General Opinion GA-0053<BR/><BR/>http://www.oag.state.tx.us/opinions/opinions/50abbott/op/2003/htm/ga0053.htm<BR/><BR/>You can make an open records request to see where the funds are being spent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-5057813077786692202009-03-15T21:07:00.000-05:002009-03-15T21:07:00.000-05:00Your right 4:56, the taxpayers are the one that ar...Your right 4:56, the taxpayers are the one that are going to get hosed if a civil penalty is imposed on the agency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-27249203546471520962009-03-15T19:04:00.000-05:002009-03-15T19:04:00.000-05:00Anon 11:05,No better. It needs to be a state offi...Anon 11:05,<BR/><BR/>No better. It needs to be a state office, not a county DA, regardless of the county.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anon 2:16,<BR/><BR/>Yes, there is a Federal statute on forfeiture, but it deals with it being forfeitures to the Feds, and not state laws dealing with the topic.TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-81215961144421859472009-03-15T16:56:00.000-05:002009-03-15T16:56:00.000-05:00'penalty of $100k against an agency'; hogwash, the...'penalty of $100k against an agency'; hogwash, the taxpayers get hosed; penalize the actors jointly and severally and make sure they never have a position of trust again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-18867482276430817562009-03-15T14:16:00.000-05:002009-03-15T14:16:00.000-05:00Isn't there a federal Law that covers asset forfei...Isn't there a federal Law that covers asset forfeiture and use of funds? Most law enforcement get their drug money from piggy-backing federal agencies cases using money laundering units.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34562974494555374582009-03-15T13:40:00.000-05:002009-03-15T13:40:00.000-05:00Do these people really represents us?"The law has ...Do these people really represents us?<BR/><BR/>"The law has gotten away from what was intended, which was to take the profits of a bad guy's crime spree and use it for additional crime-fighting," Whitmire said. "Now it's largely being used to pay police salaries—and it's being abused because you don't even have to be a bad guy to lose your property."<BR/><BR/>Just more grandstanding. Read the law you passed senator. Payment of salaries are permitted.<BR/><BR/>The bill forbids:<BR/>• prosecutors as well as police from requesting or inducing someone to sign a waiver of property rights until after forfeiture proceedings have been initiated in court. <BR/>• using forfeiture funds for campaign contributions, alcohol, judicial training, or donations to nonprofits unrelated to public safety. <BR/>• a retiring official from spending money (as happened with the Harris County Sheriff) on their way out the door without approval by the commissioners court<BR/>Again senator, read the law you passed, don’t leave it up to some staffer to do it for you. All of the above are already prohibited, just not enforced.<BR/><BR/>The problem with a lot of the Texas CCP is contains a lot of "do not’s," it just doesn’t have enough "or elses."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-70289055169943338942009-03-15T11:05:00.000-05:002009-03-15T11:05:00.000-05:00Tx, how would you feel if this unit was given over...Tx, how would you feel if this unit was given over to the Williamson County DA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36182862170167689992009-03-15T10:43:00.000-05:002009-03-15T10:43:00.000-05:00Don't let any forfietures take place without a con...Don't let any forfietures take place without a conviction.<BR/><BR/>This is unconstitutional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-76565512872975582462009-03-15T09:46:00.000-05:002009-03-15T09:46:00.000-05:00I feel more comfortable with the AG having it than...I feel more comfortable with the AG having it than the Travis County DA...TxBluesManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15008395777633969757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-87614502494543714222009-03-15T09:02:00.000-05:002009-03-15T09:02:00.000-05:00Greg Abbott wants the power that now is in the han...Greg Abbott wants the power that now is in the hands of the Travis County DA department of Public Integrity. Whitmire's bill assumes this transfer of power, proposed by other bills in this session, is a foregone conclusion. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure it is a good idea. <BR/><BR/><B>WHO is going to police the Attorney General and his HUGE staff?</B> <BR/><BR/>The Public Integrity Unit of the Travis DA has been ineffective because the Leg has refused to appropriate funding. Only $4 mil a year for an office with statewide jurisdiction over more than 250,000 State Gov employees. <BR/><BR/>I proposed an INDEPENDENT 'State Integrity Unit' (its not about "public integrity" but integrity of State Gov Actors). Could not find a Legislator to author & sponsor such a bill.Informed Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06933944702188649792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7823387261960952202009-03-15T08:16:00.000-05:002009-03-15T08:16:00.000-05:00Grits: Reminds me of Rick Roach, the DA from Pamp...Grits: Reminds me of Rick Roach, the DA from Pampa, who also misused proceeds this way and as far as I know is still in the federal pokey. By the way, DA hot check funds are misused as well. By law, who is charged with auditing these funds and where would one (in county government) go to see where these funds are being spent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com