tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post4601556040730536769..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Pragmatic arguments the strongest for 'raise the age' proposalGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-17666912860022043622015-03-10T22:14:41.982-05:002015-03-10T22:14:41.982-05:00Good response @10:33!!! Good response @10:33!!! Susan S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-77122540127314620132015-03-09T10:33:39.577-05:002015-03-09T10:33:39.577-05:00@10:37 The Prison Rape Elimination Act was signed ...@10:37 The Prison Rape Elimination Act was signed by President Bush in 2003. <br /><br />Some people will automatically blame Obama for anything.<br /><br />Stubbed your toe? Thanks Obama! <br /><br />Bit your tongue? Thanks Obama! <br /><br />Wife left you? Thanks Obama!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-40808389968192843172015-03-06T19:45:43.761-06:002015-03-06T19:45:43.761-06:00@10:37, the answer is because PREA creates civil l...@10:37, the answer is because PREA creates civil liability for agencies that don't follow it and counties don't want to raise taxes to pay for loser lawsuits.<br /><br />You may think it's fine to roll the dice, but managers have to actually consider the real world consequences of foolhardy choices.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64887910537486974592015-03-06T10:37:18.834-06:002015-03-06T10:37:18.834-06:00And why again is it that we have to follow the Fed...And why again is it that we have to follow the Feds lead on everything? Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that's how liberals like it. See, e.g., Obamacare. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-63842983553536374412015-03-06T08:16:22.073-06:002015-03-06T08:16:22.073-06:00I agree, 8:09, good analysis. The flip side, thoug...I agree, 8:09, good analysis. The flip side, though, is that county jails must now renovate and staff up to meet PREA standards for 17 year olds and that costs money, too. So both routes will cost locals more money - they're screwed either way.<br /><br />Also, if they close more juvie units they'll free up money to shift downstream to help with that.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-61577297410947280962015-03-06T08:09:11.199-06:002015-03-06T08:09:11.199-06:00The "Raising the Age" and "PREA&quo...The "Raising the Age" and "PREA" topics have received a lot of debate over the past few years. I believe from a philosophical standpoint it is sound. However, from the standpoint of practicality money drives everything. Some areas are equipped to be able to take this added population into the juvenile system but MANY more are not. Looking only at the funding issue it is much more costly to handle the 17 years under current statutes in the juvenile system. You won't find many out there that will argue loudly that 17 year olds should not be treated as a full all out adult but dropping them into the juvenile system will create a financial burden. The LBB should be tasked to provide a fiscal note on this subject I would assume and that study will be key in garnering support for or against raising the age. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-79994650513214796542015-03-06T05:41:52.455-06:002015-03-06T05:41:52.455-06:00@5:55, pot creates no such practical problems beca...@5:55, pot creates no such practical problems because the feds have decided not to supercede state law, even if technically they could. If you can get the feds to decide not to implement PREA (good luck), maybe the analogy would work.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-63229472529653963222015-03-06T00:44:06.986-06:002015-03-06T00:44:06.986-06:00At 17, the issue isn't whether you know right ...At 17, the issue isn't whether you know right from wrong, it's that you think you're right about everything, even if you're profoundly wrong. A combination of incomplete brain development and a lack of personal experience combine to create a strongly held but myopic worldview (a.k.a., immaturity). <br /><br />It not just 17. They still immature even when they 47.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64007895937499159372015-03-05T20:41:13.719-06:002015-03-05T20:41:13.719-06:00There are different levels of maturity. Some kids ...There are different levels of maturity. Some kids handle peer pressure, others not so well. Knowing right from wrong doesn't help you understand the far-reaching consequences of getting caught shoplifting that bra and thong ensemble. <br /><br />Lastly, every defense attorney practicing for more than a month can tell you that most 17-year-olds think they will be prosecuted as juveniles. Never met one yet who thought he'd be treated as an adult. They probably don't read GFB yet...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-38934548670085383112015-03-05T17:55:58.007-06:002015-03-05T17:55:58.007-06:00"The law would be cleaner and simpler if stat..."The law would be cleaner and simpler if state and federal law were in synch."<br /><br />Why isn't this argument/logic applied with marijuana legalization? The feds do not believe in legalization of marijuana and probably never will. They are right.<br /><br />Even if this statute changes, I betcha' Whitmire would prefer if it did not change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com