tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post6166155468466362013..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Clemens informant shielded from prosecution: Do snitch agreements give incentives to lie or tell the truth?Gritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64483195473287910332007-12-19T07:21:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:21:00.000-06:00rj - I think they did ask about Clemens specifical...rj - I think they did ask about Clemens specifically in threatening prosecution. Clemens was the big fish they were after.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe cooperation should be the only justification for lenience in sentencing, which is the situation at the federal level. Though I'm not against them in principle, I'm not a great fan of plea bargains <A HREF="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-economic-theory-doesnt-apply-to.html" REL="nofollow">as they're constituted</A>, and think they're open to abuse including abuses like these. The difference between McNamee and Canseco's book, e.g., is that nobody threatened Canseco with prison if he didn't write it. <BR/><BR/>Who would you falsely accuse if the other option was prison time? We'd all like to think we'd never do that, but given federal cooperation rules, the incentives are there to lie. And since the info cannot be corroborated, it's just McNamee's word against Clemens. Maybe Clemens is lying, but as I said, this testimony to me doesn't "prove" it one way or another.<BR/><BR/>Finally, you write, "The credibility of a witness is always up for grabs by the opposing side and they can always look into bias or motive for their testimony." The problem is, that whenever someone lies there's <A HREF="http://deception.crimepsychblog.com/?p=124" REL="nofollow">only a 50% chance</A> those listening to them will figure it out.<BR/><BR/>To the last anon, I don't have any resources on the topic. 20 years ago Abbie Hoffman wrote a book called Steal this Urine Test that gave such instructions, and the testing technology hasn't significantly changed. best,Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-48256125592361974442007-12-18T18:14:00.000-06:002007-12-18T18:14:00.000-06:00Anonymous said... Gits, i am in deep crap and desp...Anonymous said... <BR/>Gits, i am in deep crap and desperatly need to know some info about drug testing and how to fake out a drug test for sev drugs I have used in the last 48 hrs, I only have about 24 hrs to find the best way to do it b/c i have my appointment tomorrow. I am well aware that this is off the subject of this post as well as this blogs subject kinda but I felt like you may be able to steer me in the right direction about sites/other blogs who may have some useful info on this matter. Please respond to me asap. I know you are a very busy man but I value your opions, and love to read your blog everyday as I feel its the best on the net by far.<BR/><BR/>All the crap you will hear on how to beat drug test, is just that crap. For example people think that adding bleach to their urine or even drinking vinegar will work, it won't!<BR/><BR/>Telling someone how to beat a drug test is probably illegal in Texas, trying to falsify a drug test In Texas is either a Class A misdemeanor or a state felony, I forget and I don't care! So for entertainment and educational purposes only, using someone else's urine "who's clean" or buying syntactic urine that is sold over the Internet for around $25 is the only thing that will work. Syntactic urine is the same liquid that is used to calibrate the drug testing machines. If you have some state official who enjoys watching you pee in a cup, well then you are screwed!<BR/><BR/>The government is not my parents and they will never ever tell me what I can or can't put in my body!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-57387807027564407532007-12-18T10:58:00.000-06:002007-12-18T10:58:00.000-06:00Huh. So when should they and when should they not...Huh. So when should they and when should they not offer lenience? I know you're OK with plea bargains generally. Why does information received in return automatically make it a bad thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-4906436582812018002007-12-18T10:37:00.000-06:002007-12-18T10:37:00.000-06:00"When is it a "snitch" and when is it a person wit..."When is it a "snitch" and when is it a person with knowledge of relevant facts?"<BR/><BR/>My answer: When the system exchanges lenience for someone's own offenses in for information about someone else.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-47143865967923347902007-12-18T10:26:00.000-06:002007-12-18T10:26:00.000-06:00Of course everyone can (and for the sake of my kid...Of course everyone can (and for the sake of my kids' college fund <I>should</I>) lawyer up. And last but not least, something about the Constitution, blah blah blah.<BR/><BR/>I will admit my bias against baseball on this very issue. It is the reason I will never again give baseball one more dollar of mine. I refuse to go to games even on free tickets. <BR/><BR/>I think there are times when snitch evidence can and can't be corroborated, which is why it should be weighed on an individual basis. If the prosecutors went to McNamee and said "if you don't give us Clemens we'll throw you in jail" it would be more suspicious. If they said "come clean or we'll throw you in jail" it's a little less damning of any one individual. In this instance the prosecutors showed more of an interest in catching anyone, and to my knowledge didn't target a particular individual. That removes it a bit from the McCarthy era, the way I see it.<BR/><BR/>And finally, many people don't exactly commit crimes in the open. If you want to catch the ones that are good at it, sometimes you have to find another way in. <BR/><BR/>As far as corroboration, Pettite showed a lot of class in his announcement the other day. I've never liked him, but he earned my respect with a statement that not only corroborated McNamee's testimony about him but also gave a plausible explanation. He didn't admit to taking steroids, but he wasn't accused of it either. You may say that he could afford to come clean under those circumstances, but you could just as easily say that McNamee could have said he was injecting when he actually wasn't. Instead, McNamee appears to have said that Pettite used exactly what Pettite admits to have used, and no more. <BR/><BR/>Snitches are distasteful on many levels, but sometimes you have to dance with the devil.<BR/><BR/>And finally, being as how Clemens will likely never stand trial for using an illegal substance, whether or not we believe this snitch has little effect legally speaking. At trial I'm sure Hardin (and the friend of mine that works for him) would discredit the uncorroborated testimony, but it's a fact issue. The credibility of a witness is always up for grabs by the opposing side and they can always look into bias or motive for their testimony. In this case it would be more obvious that the guy made a deal. But is making a deal the only reason you don't like the testimony? What if he just found Jesus and wanted to come clean? What if he was writing a book or had other motives, like Canseco, who outed a few people himself but not in return for a deal with a prosecutor? What about the guy in Georgia who snitched as a profession? <BR/><BR/>When is it a "snitch" and when is it a person with knowledge of relevant facts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-33189049918969291422007-12-18T10:00:00.000-06:002007-12-18T10:00:00.000-06:00Given threats by federal prosecutors against McNam...Given threats by federal prosecutors against McNamee, can you blame Clemens or anybody else for "lawyering up"? This was a pure fishing expedition; I wouldn't talk under those circumstances, either.<BR/><BR/>And I'm curious, RJ - if you think snitches should be corroborated, why do you accept McNamee's uncorroborated allegations against Clemens?<BR/><BR/>Clemens may well have used steroids, but this one coerced witness, IMO, doesn't prove it.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-49560359176253594992007-12-18T09:49:00.000-06:002007-12-18T09:49:00.000-06:00Snitches are necessary but should be corroborated ...Snitches are necessary but should be corroborated in some way. <BR/><BR/>As for Clemens, I think he's a liar.<BR/><BR/>Don't put an ounce of credibility in his "I'm surprised I was part of this report." That's crap. Everyone in that report was given the opportunity to go before the panel and talk about the information that they had received on each one of them. Clemens refused to do so and lawyered up. For him to feign surprise is no better than Barry Bonds saying he's the rightful home run king. Both are utter bullshit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-28571724468833076592007-12-18T09:13:00.000-06:002007-12-18T09:13:00.000-06:00Look man! Prosecutors get whoever, whenever indic...Look man! Prosecutors get whoever, whenever indicted for whatever. Snitchs are going to say or do what the DA tells them to do or say to save their own butt. Anybody who says different is a lying snake of a piece of S---!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com