tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post6593562802729398305..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Houston police shootings: 'Discriminatory,' but not 'Biased'?Gritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-36247615115263663722017-08-10T07:39:44.810-05:002017-08-10T07:39:44.810-05:00Anonymous 7:02 AM,
the closer one looks at the tot...Anonymous 7:02 AM,<br />the closer one looks at the totality of circumstances, the more most bias can be explained away. You can argue with that until you're blue in the face but the data doesn't lie, those with built in expectations of bias do. Rather than set off on a false narrative to deceive people, wouldn't it make more sense to improve training of officers, educate the public on what used to be commonsense rules for staying alive when dealing with them, and increasing hiring standards & expectations of the officers we employ to serve our communities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-39705308121415799642017-08-04T07:02:12.157-05:002017-08-04T07:02:12.157-05:00The only way you can't see bias is if you don&...The only way you can't see bias is if you don't want to see it. If the discriminatory behavior occurs consistently over time it is evidence of inherent and systemic bias. The comments alone here reflect a community that condones and accepts such bias as natural.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-49840284563257850542017-08-03T09:22:36.134-05:002017-08-03T09:22:36.134-05:00@04:12:00 AM, given the end results of that machis...@04:12:00 AM, given the end results of that machismo seem to greatly favor the police, maybe some of the training to prevent tragedies should take place while you are incarcerated. However you label the police, they are more likely to survive such encounters with your fellow inmates than the reverse so maybe that could be incorporated as part of an anti-recidivism program. <br /><br />Grits, hasn't much of what Anon 7:20 suggests already been covered on your website and others? You've discussed the statistics that came out tying the propensity of people with firearms to be more likely shot by the police, those engaged in a felony, etc. a few times on here in recent memory. IIRC, they included a racial component too, the race angle muted when the other factors were accounted for. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19570608425316366882017-08-03T08:06:52.205-05:002017-08-03T08:06:52.205-05:00@Steven, we KNOW that use of force episodes trende...@Steven, we KNOW that use of force episodes trended toward more force overall since at least the mid-aughts. Deaths in police custody DOUBLED between 2005-2015, while crime, arrests, and traffic stops were all declining. There was a drop in 2016, but that's the first year of declines in more than a decade. For more, we discussed this in some detail in the "Suspicious Mysteries" segment <a href="https://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2017/07/reasonably-suspicious-check-out-latest.html" rel="nofollow">on the latest podcast</a>. Amanda Marzullo termed this a rise in the "violent interaction rate," which is a good way to look at it. The number of police shootings per encounter with the public increased significantly.<br /><br />Also, to the earlier commenters. the study by Prof. Fryer actually purported to take into account all of the detail you're seeking about suspect behavior, etc.. Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-88815271261515793132017-08-03T07:44:37.846-05:002017-08-03T07:44:37.846-05:00It would be productive, Scott, to study the shooti...It would be productive, Scott, to study the shootings and other use-of-force episodes by police without the racial demographics to see if there's a trend toward more use of force overall, and what kinds of events triggered the police's violent response.Steven Michael Seyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07809935502307219692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2960488568412299572017-08-03T06:13:02.543-05:002017-08-03T06:13:02.543-05:00Probably not, 2:36, but then, neither were they st...Probably not, 2:36, but then, neither were they studied by the cops before they shot them.<br /><br />@7:20, how would you propose someone research that? You aren't really proposing an hypothesis, just a smear. That's not something which could be proven in either direction, it's just a racist talking point - the behaviors you describe are human ones, they're not attributable to one race or the other.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44147939125516709602017-08-03T04:12:53.828-05:002017-08-03T04:12:53.828-05:00Very interesting counter observations, I must say,...Very interesting counter observations, I must say, as a former 20+ yr veteran of TDCJ-ID housing with radically dangerous black and Latino men.I'm here to tell you as a group they are fearsome folks who are too dumb to know when to turn off the tough gangster routine. Cops are just scared chickenshits. They pull the trigger to protect their tiny minds.www.facebook.com/GetOutOfTexasPrisonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087539741961956321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-64280158003540922222017-08-03T02:36:36.827-05:002017-08-03T02:36:36.827-05:00Were the arrest records of the fatalities consider...Were the arrest records of the fatalities considered by the researchers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-45117206974264293772017-08-02T21:49:00.526-05:002017-08-02T21:49:00.526-05:00Anon 07:20:00 PM,
this has been studied in the pa...Anon 07:20:00 PM, <br />this has been studied in the past but groups that advocate for minorities don't like the results so the results get buried. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51149554357527589502017-08-02T19:20:11.213-05:002017-08-02T19:20:11.213-05:00I'd be curious to know if there's any rese...I'd be curious to know if there's any research regarding the propensity of minority citizens to engage in confrontational behavior vis a vis the police. Obviously there are certain behaviors that increase the odds of an officer utilizing deadly force--not following instructions, fighting, not keeping your hands in sight, and producing a weapon would all seem to increase the odds of ratcheting up the scale in regard to the use of force. Instead of focusing entirely on the conduct of the officers, it would be interesting to see the flip side. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com