tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post6675776433708060940..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Education vs. PrisonsGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-21882346756517047472010-07-25T14:36:53.860-05:002010-07-25T14:36:53.860-05:00Sorry, I meant to say:
1:27 is right. You really ...Sorry, I meant to say:<br /><br />1:27 is right. You really shouldn't be spreading lies unless you're in elected office. Then it's okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-19537817044569922642010-07-25T14:35:47.027-05:002010-07-25T14:35:47.027-05:001:27 is right. You really should be spreading lie...1:27 is right. You really should be spreading lies unless you're in elected office. Then it's okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67345704415157373262010-07-25T13:27:17.986-05:002010-07-25T13:27:17.986-05:002:33 you're just wrong. They absolutely did no...2:33 you're just wrong. They absolutely did not leave all the equipment and furniture in the old schools when they were demolished. I live near one and watched them move it all for weeks. Spreading lies like that is reprehensible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37256679611520962652010-07-25T08:46:25.013-05:002010-07-25T08:46:25.013-05:00"special funds" probably includes the un..."special funds" probably includes the universities' endowments. General funds come from taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37821583647140132362010-07-25T05:50:59.253-05:002010-07-25T05:50:59.253-05:00farmerguy, the data Newsweek published came straig...farmerguy, the data Newsweek published came straight from Gov. Schwarzenegger, who cited those numbers in a speech. Why don't you send your tsk's his way? From Newsweek:<br /><br />“What does it say about any state that focuses more on prison uniforms than on caps and gowns?” Schwarzenegger said, adding that “30 years ago, 10 percent of the general fund went to higher education and 3 percent went to prisons. Today, almost 11 percent goes to prisons and only 7.5 percent goes to higher education. Spending 45 percent more on prisons than universities is no way to proceed into the future.” The state’s priorities, he added, “have become out of whack.”<br /><br />I do notice that the Newsweek graphic cites only a percentage of the "General Fund," while the state funds number you cite also include "special funds, and selected bond funds." That could be the source of the difference.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-67087655789314538162010-07-25T00:57:47.893-05:002010-07-25T00:57:47.893-05:00Tisk tisk tisk
Higher Education in California is ...Tisk tisk tisk<br /><br />Higher Education in California is budgeted $40,635,132 for the 2010/11 FY.<br />http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/StateAgencyBudgets/6013/agency.html<br /><br />Corrections in California is budgeted $12,210,916 for the 2010/11 FY<br />http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/StateAgencyBudgets/5210/agency.html<br /><br />Took all of 30 seconds on google to debunk your graphic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-17285554806030818792010-07-24T19:35:24.638-05:002010-07-24T19:35:24.638-05:00As a subatance abuse counselor who works with offe...As a subatance abuse counselor who works with offenders and ex-offenders I find it quixotic that we talk about either or in the case of corrections vs education. Studies show that generally the higher the level of education the lower the chances of drug use and recidivism. In addition, it has been proven time and again that adequate treatment of offfenders for substance abuse related issues is a much more cost effective way to go than to warehouse them in our wonderful bed and breakfast system. So why are we not putting more emphasis on prevention, treatment, and education. We already have far too many prisons in Texas. We need to concentrate on something that works. Individuals who do need "corrections" and who have non-violent drug related charges should be diverted into treatment and community corrections programs. I know...I know...it's the money grubbin prison complex. Changes need to be made...for a lot of reasons.cjSweetwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402434532651739233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-69903057235846309472010-07-23T21:10:31.373-05:002010-07-23T21:10:31.373-05:00I think you're wrong, 5:23. The commissioners...I think you're wrong, 5:23. The commissioners would like to pursue the jail diversion plans, but the judges that are making the bonds, sentences, etc. do not want these. As ex-commissioner Fleming, the judges and the DA are all unapproachable and unwilling to work together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-53646884641021433572010-07-23T17:23:54.360-05:002010-07-23T17:23:54.360-05:00Commissioners complained about "Groundhog Day...Commissioners complained about "Groundhog Day" and doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. So they are just going to ram it through. <br /> It never occurs to them to ACTUALLY try something different and reduce the incarceration rate.<br /><br /> Ignoring the low-hanging fruit in front of their faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-52509687299590997812010-07-23T14:33:55.354-05:002010-07-23T14:33:55.354-05:00In general, when you have two bond elections, psyc...In general, when you have two bond elections, psychologically speaking they oppose one another. This dichotomous thinking makes the voter feel like they have to choose either/or, without realizing they have a third choice - neither. Unfortunately, a school bond is more likely to get passed when "opposed" by a less "rosey" opponent such as a jail bond, then if the school bond were on the ballot all by itself. For whatever reasons, it's human nature to think in dichotomies. By the way, have you seen those new schools they are putting up in Tyler? Outrageous! They are too extravegant! When they demolished the old schools, they left all the furniture and equipment inside - such a waste!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-51149897815312776732010-07-23T12:47:31.227-05:002010-07-23T12:47:31.227-05:00It really bothers me that people are quoted in thi...It really bothers me that people are quoted in this article saying that they don't want something on a ballot against something else because we already know how the people will vote. If they already know the will of the people (which they are SUPPOSE to represent) why would they not represent what the people want. How do you say we already know what our voters want which is why they don't get a choice? If their plan is so much better than putting money in to education maybe they should promote that plan, debate the plan and let the people decide. Isn't that how democracy is suppose to work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-77791817466127801822010-07-23T12:15:17.503-05:002010-07-23T12:15:17.503-05:00Good point, 11:30. That distinction is why I said ...Good point, 11:30. That distinction is why I said "particularly higher ed" when I made the relative return on investment argument. On K-12 I pretty much agree with you they need to fix the broken system more than (or at least as much as) they need more money.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-22409248331159165172010-07-23T12:09:38.219-05:002010-07-23T12:09:38.219-05:00"It would be quite a chore to compile the dat..."It would be quite a chore to compile the data, but given the expansion of Texas prisons in the past 30 years, plus the fact that Texas universities have become so much more tuition-reliant, I would be surprised if a comparable chart for Texas failed to display essentially similar trends."<br />-------------------------------------<br />Tough on crime + prison crazed = Texas!Hook Em Hornshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04660612847019528535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-2626230025570731702010-07-23T11:30:24.121-05:002010-07-23T11:30:24.121-05:00I'm not sure the "relative return on inve...I'm not sure the "relative return on investment" argument is all that sound, given the poor performance of prisons AND the poor performance of public education with the dropout rate, failure to obtain high school degrees vs. GED's, need for heavy remediation after high school as well as the argument about the practical value of bachelors degrees. Seems to me that neither emperor is wearing any clothes.<br /><br />Prisons may not be a good investment, but "more money for schools" has not been over the past several decades, either. Both need a new paradigm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com