tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post9176557317298496641..comments2024-03-25T20:06:39.794-05:00Comments on Grits for Breakfast: Policymakers seek alternatives to police, ticketing for public-school disciplineGritsforbreakfasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-74742268245099543002012-11-04T08:25:51.256-06:002012-11-04T08:25:51.256-06:00You tell 'em 9:03, Everyone Get's A Trophy...You tell 'em 9:03, Everyone Get's A Trophy, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-26366691018493268712012-11-03T22:51:55.824-05:002012-11-03T22:51:55.824-05:00This is a little off subject but since someone men...This is a little off subject but since someone mentioned vouchers - I think we should do away with public schools altogether. Let teachers become entrepeneurs. Give parents vouchers for each class their child needs - i.e. 6th grade Science, 8th grade Math, etc. Then teachers could offer classes in their particular subject area. The parent would pick the teacher they want and give them the voucher. If teachers chose they could associate with other teachers and form a school, or they could just offer the one class on their own and parents could choose classes a la carte. Of course, the teachers unions would never go for this idea. But, this would put parents in control of their child's education and free teachers from the bureacracy of the current public school systems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-75778268907480323432012-11-03T22:46:58.529-05:002012-11-03T22:46:58.529-05:00'Corporal punishment has never been effective ...'Corporal punishment has never been effective and those who correlate its use with a time when discipline problems were fewer are the same folks who think the rooster causes the sun to come up in the morning."<br /><br />I couldn't disagree more. Corporal punishment can be effective if used sparingly and appropriately. In one of my psychology classes in college, Behavior Modification, the professor who taught that had authored a book on the subject of discipline. He recommended that is be used only for direct defiance and safety issues. <br /><br />Part of the problem today is that kids have no fear of their parents or other authority figures. When I was in school that fear of the paddle kept us in line. And the fear of getting our butts whooped when we got home kept us from getting in trouble in school. Kids today know their parents can't touch them and many of them run the show. They have no respect for their parents or any other adults. Its a generation of spoiled brats. By failing to discipline (I'm using that term as broader than just physical disipline) we are actually doing more harm to our kids. Kids need discipline. But instead we are indulging them. The kids will ultimately pay the price. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-56346144343430975032012-11-03T09:03:45.437-05:002012-11-03T09:03:45.437-05:00I don't blame the students for what they do. I...I don't blame the students for what they do. I blame the teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-37799866992874300852012-11-02T12:48:47.767-05:002012-11-02T12:48:47.767-05:009:54, that sounds basically like 10:42's comme...9:54, that sounds basically like 10:42's comment. Thank you, though, for identifying vouchers ("school choice") as the mechanism for accomplishing it. Good to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-54232664033552710922012-11-02T09:54:01.822-05:002012-11-02T09:54:01.822-05:00Parents will eventually be given vouchers and allo...Parents will eventually be given vouchers and allowed to decide where they want there kids to go to school; private vs. public.<br /><br />You public school advocates with all of your Royce West reforms can tend to the incorrigibles then. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-89046850343950340862012-11-02T07:38:46.263-05:002012-11-02T07:38:46.263-05:00Unfortunately when the "children of color&quo...Unfortunately when the "children of color" as some people put it at the hearing are the ones who actually cause the most disruptions in the classroom how can we ignore it? That is indeed reverse racism. As a black teacher I took it personally when a black student was acting out and the others were not but I didn't hesitate to delve the exact consequenses I would have to a Hispanic or Anglo child. We need to change the culture at home so it does not spill over into the schools and the streets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-66992255892856877172012-11-01T15:38:56.224-05:002012-11-01T15:38:56.224-05:00I honestly try to read these posts with an open mi...I honestly try to read these posts with an open mind and respond with a level of civility but those who want to go back to the "good old days" of corporal punishment are simply engaging in some kind of Norman Rockwell wistfulness that has no grounding in fact -- either then or now. Corporal punishment has never been effective and those who correlate its use with a time when discipline problems were fewer are the same folks who think the rooster causes the sun to come up in the morning. Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11746292377312056314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-65046563964574902302012-11-01T13:49:10.346-05:002012-11-01T13:49:10.346-05:00What cracks me up is your all talking about this. ...What cracks me up is your all talking about this. But missing the big point.<br /><br />this<br /><br />"Under state law enacted in the 1990s, school districts can have police departments that can write tickets to students without even witnessing the crime"<br /><br />This is not even CLOSE to legal. Hell they can't even do a speeding ticket on the street this way. If the officer who saw the crime did not write and sign the ticket is's JUNK.<br /><br />That one went all the way to the USSC over the use of airplane spotters who call them in and had a cop on the ground write em up. 1,000's got tossed. Now they have to guide a ground trooper in place who then watchs and does thier own clocking ...THEN writes the ticket.<br /><br />I'd have told the school officer to shove his/her ticket up their ass where it belongs with the rest of the crap.<br /><br />and i STILL hate this new retarded capcha craprodsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-20924794041219109912012-11-01T13:09:45.733-05:002012-11-01T13:09:45.733-05:00Over zealous use of well meaning regulations and p...Over zealous use of well meaning regulations and police enforcement - say it isn't so! Guess we will have to depend on being politically correct to fix it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236666405095867671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-29467279643099513062012-11-01T11:30:33.080-05:002012-11-01T11:30:33.080-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Texas Moms Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154841122380478600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-58186454894474577722012-11-01T11:30:05.262-05:002012-11-01T11:30:05.262-05:00It's really illogical to expect school and sec...It's really illogical to expect school and security personnel who've been through the underfunded, under-performing Texas school systems to behave intelligently when dealing with discipline problems. The only thing a lot of them can think to do is hit (or shoot)someone when they don't like what they're doing. They don't have the critical thinking abilities to solve problems, and since they can't hit kids anymore, the slap them with tickets. Surprise, surprise. It takes a certain IQ level to do something better.Texas Moms Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154841122380478600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-34974049705928027622012-11-01T10:42:49.518-05:002012-11-01T10:42:49.518-05:00"How about we just go back to whipping their ..."How about we just go back to whipping their little asses like we did--effectively--for generations"<br /><br />Combining this with John David Galt's point, why not just go back to segregation "like we did--effectively--for generations" and keep black kids completely away from the white ones. Then you can use beatings for the black kids and have the white ones in schools where parents can object to and stop the state from hitting their kid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-27280727675939249802012-11-01T10:13:54.290-05:002012-11-01T10:13:54.290-05:00I don't remember any of these any of these iss...I don't remember any of these any of these issues being a problem when the solution was simply to take the "offender" out in the hall,bend him over and whack his butt a couple of times.No Fuss...No Muss,it was over with in two minutes.<br /> If a student didn't want to be snickered at or ridiculed they simply did not misbehave.Texasrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-83939100688051407552012-11-01T10:03:20.132-05:002012-11-01T10:03:20.132-05:00How much time, money and energy are we going to wa...How much time, money and energy are we going to waste on all of this new age, "feel good," educational gobbledy-gook? <br /><br />How about we just go back to whipping their little asses like we did--effectively--for generations? No tickets. No criminal records. No problem! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-62313811662273085432012-11-01T08:38:43.003-05:002012-11-01T08:38:43.003-05:00So, 5:59, you agree no police in schools but scoff...So, 5:59, you agree no police in schools but scoff at any suggested alternative? Pathetic. Also, I don't need to lead the charge if Waco is doing it, but I don't consider that a particularly liberal jurisdiction.<br /><br />JDG, I personally don't care so much about the racial disparity as the sheer volume. Like the drug war, the problem to me isn't that black folks are affected disproportionately as that the enterprise has scaled up into a massive, self-sustaining government bureaucracy, which is what's happened with law enforcement and school discipline via the state's misguided effort to criminalize juvenile behavior. This is actually an area, again, like the drug war, where conservatives and liberals generally can agree on policy suggestions but with different motivations, which is often the sign of a flexible, pragmatic, solutions-oriented approach.Gritsforbreakfasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152152869466958902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-44205945398180657392012-11-01T05:59:00.426-05:002012-11-01T05:59:00.426-05:00Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Policymakers seek alte...Wednesday, October 31, 2012<br />Policymakers seek alternatives to police, ticketing for public-school discipline<br /><br />Policymakers seek magic wand to cure the broken homes of Texas. Policymakers seek to solve single parent homes in Texas. Policymakers seek to increase parental involvement in schools.<br /><br />lol!<br /><br />Agree we don't need the police in schools. <br /><br />Just another reason why more and more private schools are on the horizon. Will see how you folks take care of the problem then. Should be entertaining to watch Grits lead the charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-82450157541106664312012-10-31T23:54:32.609-05:002012-10-31T23:54:32.609-05:00Count yourselves lucky. In Oakland, CA, courts im...Count yourselves lucky. In Oakland, CA, courts imposed a quota system on schools that discipline black kids more often than white ones.<br /><br />It's high time for a Civil Rights Reform Act spelling out that "disparate" treatment EARNED BY BEHAVIOR is not racism -- FORBIDDING IT IS.jdgalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236899779621301830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8597101.post-7432071904688273112012-10-31T19:22:30.627-05:002012-10-31T19:22:30.627-05:00Hope these alternatives are successful--both citiz...Hope these alternatives are successful--both citizens and politicians my learn that there are a lot of areas that work better without police involvement .John C. Key MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151753880353930772noreply@blogger.com